St. Louis Hands ‘Nova Its First Loss

Posted by Brian Ewart on November 25, 2011 · Under Pre-Game, Recap · 273 Comments 

(AP Photo/Alex Gallardo)

Update:  ‘Nova Loses first of the Season by Ed’77

Rich Majerus, who led Utah to the Final Four in 1998, looked forward to the 76 Classic as an early test for his St. Louis Billiken team. So far, they have passed with flying colors.  Today, his team handed Villanova its first defeat of the young season 80-68 in the semifinal round.  The Billikens hit a blistering 51% from behind the arc for 42 points while the Cats hit only 33% for 15 points.  Game, set, match.

Maalik Ways tried to put the team on his back, scoring a career high 29 points on 50% shooting, grabbing a team-high 6 rebounds, and 4 assists, but turned the ball over five times.  James Bell had his best game of the season, scoring 16 points on 60% shooting from the field, including 4-6 from 3-point range.  The rest of the team did not show up.

There was reason for hope among the Wildcat faithful in the first half, when Maalik Wayns put the Cats up 26-16 with two free throws with 9:19 remaining.  “We did a really good job over those first ten minutes,” stated Wright. “We were grinding and executing early, playing great defense.”  But with Yarou exiting with his second foul, things suddenly went south for the Cats.   St. Louis went on a tear, hitting four 3-pointers over a five minute stretch to take the lead 28-26 with 4:36 remaining. Villanova went in to the locker room down by only four, 38-34,  thanks to an unlikely turnaround jumper by Maurice Sutton as he fell out of bounds with time expiring.

The second half gave little cause for cheer when Brian Conklin’s layup put the Billikens up by 14 with 12:11 remaining.  The Cats never threatened the rest of the way.

“All the credit goes to Saint Louis,” stated Villanova head coach Jay Wright. “They played a great game. At this point in the season they are just are more refined team than we are.  I think we played like a young team. We got crazy, took some crazy shots. We were doing a great job defensively, but they got easy baskets from us turning the ball over and taking bad shots. When you have a chance to control the game early against a good team, you’ve got to do that. You have to give it to them – they got hot and we were playing from behind after that.  They just do what they do better than we do what we do right now.  This was a great experience for us. I didn’t want to lose to get that experience but I think Coach (Rick) Majerus has a great team there. We just had no answers defensively (today). They made the extra pass, the extra play and that’s the sign of a very experienced, well-coached team.”

The Cats hope to salvage a third-place finish on Sunday at 6:30PM (ESPNU) when the face the loser of the Santa Clara – Oklahoma game (Midnight, ESPN2).  “We’ll learn from this, take a day tomorrow to re-energize, and be back here on Sunday against another quality opponent,” stated Wright.

Player Grades from Statsheet.com

Grade Player Mins Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk TO
A Maalik Wayns 35 29 6 4 0 0 5
B James Bell 29 16 4 2 0 0 3
C J. Pinkston 19 4 3 0 1 0 0
C Mouphtaou Yarou 24 8 2 0 0 1 1
C Dominic Cheek 27 5 5 0 1 0 1
C- Maurice Sutton 14 2 3 0 0 0 0
C- Markus Kennedy 9 2 1 1 0 0 0
C- Darrun Hilliard 28 0 4 4 0 0 2
- Ty Johnson 5 0 0 2 0 0 0
- Achraf Yacoubou 10 2 0 0 0 0 0

Original Post:  What is a Billiken? by Brian Ewart

The Billikens shocked the world before coming to California for the 76 Classic by solidly defeating a Washington team in St. Louis. They did that behind what is rated the number-8 defense in the country by KenPom.com. The Rick Majerus defense has been firing on all cylinders so far this season to make SLU a real threat to beat anyone in the country.

Not quite a cruise, the Billikens didn’t struggle much to advance to the second round of the winner’s bracket by beating Boston College 62-51 in the early game in Anaheim. They improved their record to 4-0 with the win.

Though their defense is what is sustaining them, their offense has been solid so far as well. 6-6 senior forward Brian Conklin has averaged 16.7 points per game to lead the Billikens, while shooting 63% from the field and 94% from the charity stripe. Junior guard Kwamain Mitchell is the real driving force of the SLU offense, averaging 12 points, 5 assists and 4 rebounds and 2 steals per game. Cody Ellis, a junior forward from Perth, Australia, is the third Billiken averaging double-digit points with 10 per game, along with 5 rebounds per game.

Ellis had high expectations when he arrived on campus, but hasn’t been able to get enough time on the court to become the star fans had expected. He missed a significant number games over the last two seasons to the NCAA clearing process and to injury. He has a good ability to shoot threes for a 6-8 big man, and could prove a tough match-up for the Wildcats on the perimeter when he gets on the court.

Against Boston College, Conklin and Mitchell were the two offensive stars for SLU, scoring 18 and 20 points respectively. As a team, they shot 42.3% from the field and 30% from beyond the arc in their first game of the tournament. That was down from a season percentage of 49% from the field and 43.1% from three.

Defensively, KenPom.com describes the Billikens as a “mostly man” scheme. While they get stops and manage to control the game with that system, it hasn’t seemed to help with rebounding, where the Billikens have been outrebounded by opponents, 119-95 (or about 8 boards per game). They are particularly weak on the offensive glass, while grabbing a few more defensive boards than opponents.

The Billikens are a dark-horse candidate to challenge for an Atlantic 10 title this season and one of the best teams in the 76 Classic field.

Villanova will have their hands full trying to solve the SLU defense, and will need to continue to move the ball well and use the drive and kick to set up shooters. Mouph Yarou and the other bigs will be needed to grab boards and give the offense second chances after a miss, and all of the Wildcats players should be looking to beat their man for a second-chance ball.

Offensively, Villanova is about as efficient as Washington, a team that has been St. Louis’ signature win so far this season. Villanova will need to play at least that well, while playing tight defense. Getting to the free-throw line is also very important for the ‘Cats as they convert those opportunities at a higher rate than shots from the floor, and the fouls on SLU would limit their ability to get physical on defense.

Since you are all wondering, a Billiken (unlike a Hoya) is a real thing. They were charm dolls created by a St. Louis-based illustrator in 1908 and were very popular for a period of time. How the name became attached to the university is disputed, but may have something to do with a former football coach’s resemblance to the creature.

This game will tip off from the Anaheim Convention Center at 2:30 this afternoon on the east coast (11:30am locally) and will be broadcast nationally on ESPN.

  • Jimdribble

    As I said I am worried about this game. They are a disciplined team that plays good defense. I feel it is important to get the ball inside to Mouph and go inside out if we need moving the ball. They can shoot the three so we need to shut that down.

  • Stevie V

    Jim….I agree about the importance of Mouph getting the ball inside…..I just wish he would work harder at getting better low post position….he seems to get the entry passes away from the basket which means he needs to dribble quite a bit to create his shot or pull up for a short jump shot.
     It seems to me however that Jay has given the keys to Wayns and he is driving the Nova bus this year.

     

  • California chris

    If this were the end of the season, villanova would crush them.  I still think if we show up
    we win.  go cats go!

  • Cord

    Against one of the great minds in the game today

  • Cord

    Against one of the great minds in the game today

  • guest

    i watched the BC – St louis game yesterday….If you can limit St. Louis offensive rebounds, then nova will win easily.

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully end of season will be better than the last two end of seasons

  • BIG DADDY

    NO WAY IT CAN BE AS BAD AS LAST YEAR……THAT USF GAME STILL BURNS IN MY SOUL….IT’S SO SICKENING IT MAKES YOU THINK PLAYERS WERE SHAVING POINTS…

  • Jello

    You bet $$$$ and lost?  How much? 

  • Nova Higgs

    Great dish and floor presence from Kennedy to Wayns… LOVING that we finally have a clue how to run an inbounds play again!

  • Jello

    Nice Hilliard dish to Yarou for the JAM!

  • Jello

    Why didn’t Cheek run out for that fast break? 

  • Jello

    We got to stop jacking up 3′s.

  • Nova Higgs

    And we’ve got to get a hand in the face of their 3-point shooters.

  • Hardcore fan

    We got to defend the 3. 

  • Jimdribble

    We are a different team without Yarou in there. With him out it is more even with St.Louis. 

  • Barney Rubble

    2013 Point Guard Nate Britt is expected to make a decision in near future.  It won’t be Villanova. 
    Possibly North Carolina that he is leaning towards. 

    At least he is getting it over with and Jay can make a better pitch for philly’s Rasheed Jordan.
    I am still surprised that with Arch & TJ’s size that Jay isn’t pushing for a smaller quicker PG out of 2013 / 2014 to contrast them but maybe he hasn’t defined his interest yet.   And the “powerball” Twins are still out there if we can just wait for Kentucky’s next scandal to break…lol .   

  • Jello

    Wayns is trying to do too much last few possesions. 

  • Jello

    Cheek needs to step up now!

  • Anonymous

    Someone tell Wayns there’s four other guys in the floor.

  • Anonymous

    Nice pass TJ!

  • Jimdribble

    I agree about Wayns he as a point guard has to get others involved. We were passing well in the beginning than the 1 on 1 started

  • BIG DADDY

    SOMEBODY TELL ONE OF THE OTHER 4 TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO DESERVE GETTING THE BALL PASSED TO EM

  • BIG DADDY

    SOMEBODY TELL ONE OF THE OTHER 4 TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO DESERVE GETTING THE BALL PASSED TO EM

  • novanation

    terrible 3 point defense once again. 9 Three pointers

  • novanation

    terrible 3 point defense once again. 9 Three pointers

  • BIG DADDY

    PINKSTON IS HORRIBLE….HOW MANY GAMES IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR HIM TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL AGAIN? ALSO CAN WE STOP CHARGING, LEARN THE FLOATER.

  • BIG DADDY

    PINKSTON IS HORRIBLE….HOW MANY GAMES IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR HIM TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL AGAIN? ALSO CAN WE STOP CHARGING, LEARN THE FLOATER.

  • BIG DADDY

    AND PLEASE GIVE ASH MORE PT….ATLEAST HE CAN SHOOT, THAT’S ONE FORM OF SCORING THAT NOBODY ELSE ON THE COURT CAN DO MUCH OF OUTSIDE OF WAYNS

  • BIG DADDY

    AND PLEASE GIVE ASH MORE PT….ATLEAST HE CAN SHOOT, THAT’S ONE FORM OF SCORING THAT NOBODY ELSE ON THE COURT CAN DO MUCH OF OUTSIDE OF WAYNS

  • Jimdribble

    As I had said before the game St. Louis can shoot. They keep setting the picks and driving and dishing which we are not good at. We cannot double team if we want to win this game.

    I disagree with keeping Yarou out with two fouls. We needed him and he should have gotten some minutes. I felt we cut and passed the ball the first 8 minutes and after that it was 1 on 1. 

  • Anonymous

    Hello Jay?

  • Jello

    Pinkston is always trying to go 1 on 1 but can’t finish.  He needs better conditioning in my opinion. 

    Cheek needs draw fouls and get to the line.  WTF????

    Happy Black Friday!

  • BIG DADDY

    I TOLD MYSELF BEFORE THE SEASON I WAS NOT GONNA COMPLAIN TOO MUCH BECAUSE WE WERE EXPECTED TO NOT BE VERY GOOD, BUT MAN IT IS HARD.

  • Anonymous

    Will the A10 accept us if the Big East blows up ?

  • BIG DADDY

    HAVE WE EVER BEEN GOOD AT DEFENDING THE 3 UNDER JAY?

  • Mike

    Another big three point performance put up against nova defense…seems to be a disturbing trend lately

  • Jimdribble

    We have to defend the pick and pop. We always get burned by that and St.Louis can do that to perfection. Pinkston is a step off and cannot finish. GET YAROU involved and defend the three and we can win

  • BIG DADDY

    LETS KEEP IT REAL….

    15 WINS MAX THIS YEAR

  • Jimdribble

    I just cannot understand Jay’s defense at times. I would let teams beat us with the 2 and defend the 3′s. If we play that game we would beat them. At times he defends worrying more about the inside when St.Louis is a perimeter team

  • Jello

    It’s UNACCEPTABLE for CHEEK to have only 2 points in 1 1/2 games. 

  • BIG DADDY

    CHEEK IS COREY STOKES WITHOUT THE JUMPSHOT…..WHICH AS WE KNOW ISNT SAYING MUCH

  • Jimdribble

    I cannot believe they keep DOUBLE teaming. Sutton twice got burned in 45 seconds. STAY ON YOUR MAN. They are driving and dishing and picking and popping us and we have not adjusted.

  • BIG DADDY

    ITS A DAMN SHAME WE ARE GETTIN TOASTED BY A BUNCH OF ST LOUIS SCRUBS…..

  • Anonymous

    Ummm……….boooooooo

  • Jello

    Jay better make adjustments now…. or I’ll begin to question his coaching

  • Jello

    Time Stamp:  14:30 left in the game….

  • Barney Rubble

    What the hell just happened. 
    I walk out of the room at a TV timeout 46-41 and return and we are OUT OF THE GAME down 11 points.
    Put a fork in Villanova today, we just got stuffed like a Turkey. 

    no wait..now 8 pts down but the gravy is ready to be poured on us.  

  • Barney Rubble

    St Louis with 4 steals and Villanova with 9 turnovers. 

    At least someone came to play some defense today even though we are still shooting around 50%.  

  • BIG DADDY

    THIS GAME IS OVER…….PINKSTON CANT DO ANYTHING RIGHT, NOT ONE THING!!!!!!

  • BIG DADDY

    FUNNY THING IS NONE OF THOSE ST. LOUIS GUYS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A 1ST LOOK FROM NOVA IN RECRUITING

  • Anonymous

    When will everyone hop off of the “Well Jay Wright is good bc we got to one Final 4″ train?  You can join me on the “Lets not switch every screen and give up wide open jumpers” train to your left…..

  • BIG DADDY

    NIT BOUND MAYBE

  • Anonymous

    It is amazing what kids are capable of when they are coached properly….

  • Jimdribble

    St. Louis has Six two point field goals. Think about that. We are still double teaming and switching every screen. HORRIBLE. No adjustments

  • Barney Rubble

    We aren’t just losing.  We are being BLOWN OUT by the Billikins.  
    Who do we play in the consolation game? 

    Can we get Cheek blood tested for a chemical imbalance?  
    He is now the poster child for basketball bipolar disorder.   Something very odd about his no show this week.

    Meanwhile, UCF has stormed back and now beating UConn by 3pts with 1;33 left.    

  • Spot ck

    Not one!!

  • Anonymous

    If this a preview of the CYO league perhaps we should consider a Unitarian league. Do yourselves a favor and turn on the LSU Arkansas game.

  • Jello

    We have this game.  Wayns it taking over….

  • Spot ck

    The coached vs the uncoached!!

  • Jello

    Take Pinkston out… he’s not ready yet….. get Bell, Hilliard and Yarou some shots.  Cheek should just try to rebound and play defense. 

  • Barney Rubble

    Hey JVP, I think Majerus just said something about your mama.   Take a swing, maybe you can connect on something today.

  • Jello

    CHEEK, finallly!  WTF????  8:02 mark. 

  • Barney Rubble

    UCF 68 
    UConn 63 

    FINAL SCORE.  

  • Mikenardi

    that was not a flagrant. a hard foul but not flagrant

  • Jimdribble

    I cannot believe we still are double teaming. Jay did not try a zone against them. Yes St. Louis can shoot but they shoot off the screens. Sutton now FOUR times has gotten burned

  • Jello

    I have the same number of points as Pinkston. 

  • novanation

    i thougth armwood was gone wtf Bell?

  • novanation

    down to 7

  • Jmvpkidd05

    Once again Jay Wright fails to make adjustments in the 2nd half. St Louis offense is predicated on penetration and kick for the open three, yet Jay feels the need to have Mo Sutton in the ball game. Furthermore, It is so frustrating watching their offensive sets. They don’t run an offense, just isolation with Wayns. Why cant they integrate some sort of scheme to keep teams off balance and give the kid a breather once in a while? If Wayns doesn’t score over 20 points a game I am not sure if this team is going to be very competitive. 

  • BIG DADDY

    THIS TEAM IS WAYNS AND A BUNCH OF REJECTS

  • Barney Rubble

    Too little, Too late. 

    Can we appeal the previous Nova JVP penalty and add another season?   LOL.   

  • BIG DADDY

    DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND HIM IS YOU HAVE A BETTER SHOOTING PERCENTAGE

  • novanation

    hilliard has come back down to earth. Bell pulled an Armwood on us, pinkston is playing worse than antonio pena his sophmore year which was pretty bad, and the 3 point shot defense is horrendous

  • Barney Rubble

    That charge looked ridiculous as the St Louis player was clearly not set but it doesn’t really matter at this point.

  • Stankbirds

    What a poorly played basketball game on Nova’s part, almost as bad as the SLU players haircuts. Just when we are gaining momentum, we commit a horrible foul, turnover, or miss the front end of a 1n1. Long season ahead

  • BIG DADDY

    THAT MITCHELL FELLA LOOKS JUST LIKE THE BILLIKENS MASCOT….

  • BIG DADDY

    THAT MITCHELL FELLA LOOKS JUST LIKE THE BILLIKENS MASCOT….

  • Jello

    That matchup against New Mexico is a reality now.

  • Jello

    That matchup against New Mexico is a reality now.

  • Barney Rubble

    Stupid foul by Hilliard.   Take a seat.

  • Barney Rubble

    Stupid foul by Hilliard.   Take a seat.

  • Spot ck

    No answer!!

  • Spot ck

    No answer!!

  • BIG DADDY

    THE THING THAT SUCKS ABOUT THAT IS WAYNS IS ABOUT TO BE WORN OUT AFTER HAVING TO CARRY THESE CLOWNS ON HIS BACK….SO INSTEAD OF MY FIRST PREDICTION SAYING WE’LL LOSE TO JUST 1, I EXPECT BACK TO BACK LOSSES

  • BIG DADDY

    THE THING THAT SUCKS ABOUT THAT IS WAYNS IS ABOUT TO BE WORN OUT AFTER HAVING TO CARRY THESE CLOWNS ON HIS BACK….SO INSTEAD OF MY FIRST PREDICTION SAYING WE’LL LOSE TO JUST 1, I EXPECT BACK TO BACK LOSSES

  • Anonymous

    LOL! Bullseye Big Daddy!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    This game has been a combination of all the bad games over the past two years (St. Mary’s, Notre Dame).  I hope this does not become an ongoing pattern.  Yes, we’re a young team but the veterans should know better.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    This game has been a combination of all the bad games over the past two years (St. Mary’s, Notre Dame).  I hope this does not become an ongoing pattern.  Yes, we’re a young team but the veterans should know better.

  • novanation

    pinkston sucks

  • novanation

    pinkston sucks

  • Barney Rubble

    Well, at least the refs have decided it’s over in the last few minutes. 

    Awful game played by Villanova.  

  • Barney Rubble

    Well, at least the refs have decided it’s over in the last few minutes. 

    Awful game played by Villanova.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    Actually, no.  New Mexico is playing Washington State.  We will play either Oklahoma or Santa Clara.

  • BIG DADDY

    ST LOUIS ISNT A BRACKET BUSTER EITHER WE JUST SUCK…….I DONT LIKE LOOKING AT ALOT OF THEIR PLAYERS FACES AND WISH THEM NOTHIN BUT THE WORSE THE REST OF THE SEASON

  • BIG DADDY

    EHH WHATEVER STILL EXPECT A LOSS…..DOESN’T REALLY MATTER WHO WE ARE PLAYING

  • Spot ck

    “It’s going to be interesting to see”. Wright said. “Jay Vaughn literally could play from the Five spot to the
    one spot. It’s not an exaggeration. His versatility and his skill level are phenomenal”.

  • BIG DADDY

    THE GUY REALLY HAS NO GAME. HE CAN’T SHOOT, HE CANT DRIVE, HE CANT FINISH……MAYBE HE CAN TAKE UP BOXING…..HE’LL PROBABLY EXCEL IN THAT

  • Mikenardi

    pinkston blows

  • Spot ck

    “begin”

  • novanation

    exactly like notre game from last year they just couldn’t miss from 3

  • Spot ck

    Our leading scorer!!

  • Spot ck

    unacceptable!!

  • Barney Rubble

    How do you let a team run the shot clock down to 6 seconds and THEN foul them to stop the clock??

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    Only reason I am not saying this is Pinkston has only played a handful of college games.  I can recall a number of players who looked awful at the start and became so much better during their career.  Dante Cunningham is the best example.

  • BIG DADDY

    PLEASE DONT DISRESPECT DANTE LIKE THAT

  • novanation

    that exactly sums it up

  • BIG DADDY

    IT WAS SIMPLE MATH, THEY ARE WHITE AND HAD WIDE OPEN 3′S…..THAT’S A RECIPE FOR DISASTER

  • Jimdribble

    This was like the Notre Dame game. It was passing versus 1 on 1 basketball. Horrible. It is why I warned that this would be a tough game for us. Mouph gets 5 shots the whole game? YOU LOSE

  • novanation

    exactly

  • Spot ck

    NO!!! It’s their leader’s fault!! His name is Jay Wright!!! Not Wayns or Fisher or Reynolds but MR. Jay
    Wright.

  • Sandy

    Not a BE player, NYC players have been overhyped the last decade.

  • Rcmccole

    how does a guy that averages 3 ppg torch u

  • Sandy

    Bi Daddy, that has been the Nova defense the last two years. Give them wide open threes and hope they miss. Then give the ball to your designated star and let him go 1 on 5.

  • guest

    Does Jordan even have Nova on his list of schools? http://www.thenovablog.com/2011/7/7/2264183/rysheed-jordan-talks-recruiting-no-mention-of-villanova

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    When Dante came here I would cringe every time he went to the free throw line.  He had a hard time connecting.  By the time he graduated he developed into one of our best team players and was significantly better making foul shots.

    While we see these freshmen at UConn, Kentucky (et al…) playing like pros right out of high school and instantly adjusting to the “next level”, I would be they’re the exception not the rule.  Furthermore, none of them had a year when they were away from active basketball like JVP.  I do not think a player can be judged in his first four games on a team.  This is not high school basketball.

  • Spot ck

    Majerus could coach our woman’s team and beat Jay Wright.

    JW thinks game preparation is for him to show up at the game on time.

    Love to see the kids coach a game without JW. On there own including substitutions.

  • Hardcore fan

    Yarou and Cheek SHAME SHAME ON YAROU!!!

    You let your team down today.  I am also disappointed that none of the freshmen stepped up.  Will any of them give us a Bell type performance in a big game this year?

    I feel sorry for TJ.  He will not see the floor much this year.

  • Jello

    Is Cheek capable of driving to the hoop and trying to at least get fouled, especially when his outside shot is not falling?  2 points and 5 points in this tourny?  He only had 1 lousy FT attempt today.  As a junior starter he HAS TO STEP UP and find a way to score.  He’s a very good FT shooter too.   

    As a team, we didn’t get to the line enough.  All previous games we had way more FT attempts than our opponents.  

    Bad 3-point defense.  Rick Majerus is all about the “and 1 pass” so stop double-teaming down low!

  • novacat1985

    St Louis RPI is 57 at LEAST its not a bad loss…they also got votes in both polls this week………glass is half full?….?

  • BIG DADDY

    NO I TOLD YOU HE IS COREY STOKES WITHOUT THE JUMP SHOT……AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS

  • Spot ck

    Check for career highs!!

    LaSalle- Kid had a career high.

    Delaware- Kid had a career high.

    Saint Louis ??? Who had a career high?? Anybody??

    Negative?? Reality, and it’s not fair to the kids who expect to be coached  when they come to Villanova!!

    Unfair and unacceptable!!

    2-20 run against ST. Louis!! Those kids on there own couldn’t without “coaching” let St Louis go on a 20-2
    run. NFW!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    Unfortunately Wayns scored more than 20 and we still lost

  • Barney Rubble

    Maybe TJ is being penalized because he is refusing to play PG like Maalik….and Fisher.  
    In other words, he wants to share the ball.    :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    Bad haircuts.  Guy with the last name Mitchell.  It’s St. Mary’s all over again.

  • Spot ck

    Never!!

  • Bill ’62

    Thank goodness you told yourself you weren’t going to complain too much — Lord help us if we had to put up with you when you were complaining too much.

  • Barney Rubble

    Isn’t Santa Clara from the same league as St Marys?    

    Jay Wright is becoming Steve Lappas 2.0   Unable to coach talent to it’s expectation.
    Yeah, Pitt choked and gave us a trip to the Final Four and now we are stuck with this lack of offensive ingenuity year after year. 

    Doesn’t Billy Lange have any balls to stand u to his boss and tell him that the Emperor has no clothes? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    You are correct.  Not a bad loss.  A horrible loss.  

  • Sandy

    What is a Billiken?

    Our new CYO League rival.

  • Barney Rubble

    What is a Billiken? 

    A Wildcat’s daddy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Looking forward to the game summary from Ed, Mike, or Brian.  This is going to be fun!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Hi Mike, the jury is still out Pinkston, but you blew at Villanova and still suck ass selling your wares in Carjackastan and the NJ Shore League.

  • Anonymous

    My nephew who’s a senior @ Saint Louis just texted me a question:
    What’s a Pinkston?

  • Barney Rubble
  • Wallace

    Jay Wright is a recruiter, not a coach.  It’s embarrassing how he runs this offense and how we haven’t been able to defend the 3 in what seems like his entire coaching career.

  • Wallace

    Plus, he used to play Reggie 30+ minutes a game, which is more ridiculous than anything.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    So…I was racking my brain trying to come up with some new take on the same old Jay Wright/Villanova problem and came up with the below post some genius wrote after the LaSalle debacle.  

    For those of you who missed it the first time, behold!!!!  

    Other than writing, WANTED:  PERIMETER DEFENSE and ANY TYPE OF OFFENSE, I couldn’t have said it better myself: 

    “1.  This IS a rebuilding year no matter how many of the underclassmen had whatever number of stars next to their names on some recruiting board.  Say what you wish about the two Coreys and Pena, but we lost 3 key senior starters–including their experience and some scoring–to graduation.  It is what it is. 

    2.  The vast majority of college basketball teams, even those that are below average, typically win the games in which their shots fall at a high percentage, particularly bombs from outside.  One notable exception being the Georgetown Hoyas’ loss in the  85′ championship game, regardless of whether there was a 3-point shot.  See:  Monmouth win.

    3.  The really good to great teams consistently win even when they aren’t shooting well from outside because they are coached to play solid fundamental defense on every possession and regularly employ a methodical approach on the offensive end that emphasizes player and ball movement and high percentage shots.  

    4.  Villanova has not been a team in the latter category for a few years now.  Inferior competition, talent, and luck (yes, we admittedly have had bad luck too) occasionally saved them the past two disappointing seasons, and will lead to wins this year, DURING THE BEGINNING WEAK PART OF THE SCHEDULE.  See:  LaSalle win.  

    5.  However, if this squad isn’t coached up and doesn’t execute better on both ends of the court, this is not going to be a fun campaign to endure for Nova Nation.  See:  Late season collapses last two years.5.  No, I am not saying the sky is falling.  But last night’s game looked eerily similar to what I witnessed last year.  I’m not referring to results, I’m referring to the sloppy, undisciplined, and disorganized level of play.  We have a long season ahead of us and plenty of time to improve.  I was one who begged for Jay to get solid coaching help in the offseason, and applauded him hiring Lange and West.  I’m hoping this staff knows what it is doing and has these kids playing great team basketball come February.”

  • Cmdenigris

    This time of year you learn more from losses than you do from wins. Most of you need to get a grip. I hope some of these silly comments are from teenagers and/or posters who’ve had a few pops. Not really necessary to be ripping our guys for a bad game or two in November. It’s a little too early in the year or in several of the player’s careers to say that they “suck”. There really are other types of forums for that type of stupid typing. Some of the comments make the NYGiants IGT sound classy. 

    Saying the same thing over and over again doesn’t really help you make a meaningful point or argument.

    Not too many serious BB fans thought that we were going to be top 30 material this early in the season. All the young kids need to get several different types of games under their belts before they toughen up and begin to figure it out. Likewise Jay needs to get some things settled in his approach- although it is a bit frustrating wondering exactly what his approach is often. Hopefully some of the new assistants will assist him in figuring some of this out before BE play begins.

    I did not see the game today…but no matter how bad your perimeter D is it’s still very tough to shoot 14-27 in 3 pointers.  We ran into a hot shooting team…like before, that happens sometimes.

    Let’s give the six new faces (I’ll include Bell) a little more time before we proclaim them worthless.

  • novanation

    the problem was the threes were not contested They were WIDE OPEN

  • novanation

    do we play the loser of santa clara,oklahoma?

  • Stevie V

    14 of 27 three point shots is really unacceptable…..This means that over half of their shots were from behind the line …mostly uncontested!!!…Was the strategy …eventually they will miss because they can not be that good becuse I did not see any adjustments. Once their 3 point strategy was known we have to adjust and make them beat us with their plan B. On the offensive end, not much has changed from last year….dribble drive and dish.
    Yarou, Hilliard and Cheek finished with 13 points combined… ouch

  • Jim

    Yup, Jay Wright is a terrible coach. His players consistently do no develop or play up to expectations. It is going to be a long season. There is no way a team like St. louis should be shooting the lights out. Reminds me of last year…. 

  • Spot ck

    “Very odd” and it’s not about talent.

  • Spot ck

    If you don’t have a game plan, it’s hard to change it.

  • Spot ck

    Yea, but don’t forget he did have 2 rebs.LOL

  • Spot ck

    We always have somebody with a career best.
    LaSalle – Delaware – ST. Louis ??

    Villanova, where stars are born, play them, your going to like it!!

  • Spot ck

    No!! West, NO!! That’s why Wright hired them.

    Larry Brown and some dynamite young assistants!!

  • Spot ck

    …and the year before that.

    Jim, very good summation in one sentence. So sad,but so true.

  • Spot ck

    Your still in form, very good!!

  • Spot ck

    Your still in form, very good!!

  • Spot ck

    That’s great!! Funny!!

    …but what did you answer, it beats the hell out of me.

  • Spot ck

    That’s great!! Funny!!

    …but what did you answer, it beats the hell out of me.

  • Spot ck

    Agree 100% and it’s embarrassing, but what makes it so frustrating is he refuses to hire teaching
    hands-on assistants. Lack of security,so everyone suffers, especially the players.

    That’s BS, man up!!

  • Jello

    If you didn’t watch the game then you really have no standing to comment on how others react and post comments on the game.  If you had bothered to watch you would have seen how pathetic our defense looked.  Almost every 3 St. Louis shot was uncontested — even their misses were uncontested.  And the lack of adjustments at half time were super frustrating.  We were up by 10 points early only because St. Louis was in a shooting drought and wasn’t hitting their wide open 3′s.

  • Spot ck

    Especially #3 and #5!!
    IMHO, We would see something, anything to give an indication that we have substantially upgraded
    the coaching staff in the area of hands-on teaching and player development.

    I see things that make me feel it’s worse. The players deserve better!!

  • Spot ck

    I don’t think your supposed to answer when your getting lectured by the almighty one.

    WIDE, WIDE OPEN doesn’t mean anything to the almighty one.

    His wisdom transcends sports and touches the very soul of all humanity.

    We as his subjects should be grateful for his words and thankful for sharing his great wisdom.

    Please almighty, in the future watch the game or STFU!!

    May God bless and wish you a wonderful holiday season!!

  • Spot ck

    Stevie,
    I know I’m being repetitious, but if you don’t have a game plan it’s hard to change it.

    If Jay shows up on time for the game, he thinks that’s the game plan.

  • Spot ck

    Yes, I think that’s the plan.

  • Vu1965

    too much dribbling and standing around taking pictures

  • Spot ck

    Yes, I think we have a winner!!
    Jordair Jett 3.8Pts PG !! 0 FG’s against BC yesterday(2FT’s=2PTS)
    6FG’s for the season. 6 REB’s for the season.

    VU
    7FG’s  6REB’s 19Pts
    Congratulations young man(soph) your now a member of “The Man Club”. You were the man that
    enjoyed career highs across the board in beating Villanova.(Sorry it’s not a very exclusive club.Happens
    every game).Good game and good luck with your season.(Sorry,you don’t play us again).

  • Dom

    Good Post Stevie V.  I can’t understand why JW cannot or will not make adjustments.  At one stretch ST.L. went 20-2.  I believe there is talent on this team, using it properly is the coaches’ job.  Average coaching isn’t going to get it done.  I agree that offensively not much has changed as far as strategy is concerned.  Very disappointed in todays’ game.  Philly paper almost had it right by saying that only Wayans and Bell showed up, should have included Wright also.

  • Dom

    Good Post Wallace.  Excellent recruiter, average game coach.  Jays’ defense of the three is he hopes they don’t make it.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Honey badger don’t give a s%#!

  • Spot ck

    Good response!!

  • Dom

    Good post Jim.  At one stretch Looked like we were playing the LA Lakers.  

  • truegrit

    Woops….Maybe it’s time for nova hoop fans to switch over to football…At least the coaching is consistent when there is talent….Watch the steady rise over the next few years…Cmon make the switch….Alright let’s support both as best we can but just realize that we’re all just a bunch of frustrated Catholics….Just thank whomever that we’re not providence, seton hall or even gtown…Cmon,,,, you would be pissed if you were a georgetown fan…who do you want coaching   thompson111, wright,…oh you want lappas….it’s like our university…We ain’t the best and we ain’t the worst…at least we have something to sleep on at night…Hang in there,,,we’ll be on the right track again in two the three years….

  • Cord

    once again??–it’s been 3 years

  • Chris 81

    Clever comeback.

    The next time you say something enlightening will be the first.

    Keep trying though.

  • Spot ck

    Thanks, very comforting!!

  • ZAB

    What an ass-kicking.   I am so tired of Jay Wright removing players once they have two fouls in the first half.  I knew the game was over as soon as he took MOUPH out of the game,   That was our only advantage.  By the time he came back in,  he dried up and played like a guy collecting social security.
    Can Pinkston finish anything? Can Wayns ever play in control ?  Please watch some film of Kevin Pangos(freshman guard at Gonzaga) to see how it is done. The fire and passion of former coach Pat Chambers s sorely missed. By the way, what’s up with Dunleavy on the sidelines? The guy has no pulse and no player seems to want to interact with him. Looking forward to the easy schedule in December aside from Missouri
                                                                                               

  • Knowing Wright from Wrong

    I’ve determined by your 1 post that YOU SUCK!!! 
    If you can find 30 teams with better individual talent than our Roster, then you are full of shit. The Coach is the one that brings them together…or doesn’t.   

    Whether Villanova teams under Jay Wright can play effective perimeter defense is not in question because it’s been answered in the negative for the majority of the seasons he has been here.  The guy simply can’t coach defense to save his life and there is no offensve playbook other than what you would find at any local urban playground.  

    St Louis put on a passing clinic today and always found the open man whether he was outside the arc or cutting to the rim.  The only clinic Villanova put on was some kind of VD clinic with their scab offense oozing pussy turnovers and bad passes.  
    Wayns went out to California to do one thing and that was to score the most points regardless of the situation.    23 points against a wretched horrible team where Maalik shouldn’t have even been on the floor and then 29 points while ignoring his teammates in a loss today.      
     

  • Chris81

    Whether or not I watched the game has no bearing on idiotic comments being made here or my “standing” in criticizing them. I never said our defense was acceptable. 

    It’s the 5th game of the year…if the same problems exist a month from now and we’re consistenly playing below our potential…then it will be a more appropriate time to be critical. Especially regarding the play of the young kids. 

  • Jimmy

    Give this team a chance. Pinkston will grow as the season goes on. Jay Wright needs to make better adjustments because it was deja vu the whole game with all the 3′s. We need some other players to show some confidence on the offensive end because alot of them have good offensive potential. Lets finish the tourney with a W!! 

  • Spot ck

    “We were playing great defensively”, Jay Wright!!

  • Spot ck

    “We were playing great defensively”, Jay Wright!!

  • Cord

    The same problems have existed for 3 years

  • Cord

    Neither Lange nor West are X & O guys. Nor was Chambers. Plus Jay was their mentor– will they challenge him?????????/

  • Cord

    Majerus has forgotten more bball than Jay will ever know

  • N34110

    Did anyone notice how their center, Conklin (or something like that), shoots with the ball in front of him and swings his elbows into the faces of the players guarding him? His elbows hit our guys a few too many times that I think it caused some of the frustration from JVP and Bell. When Mough did it once, they called it on him.

  • Spot ck

    Please, now everyone has been very nice, it’s time for you to have some left-overs and work on your
    Sunday sermon.

    Check back at the end of the season and see how we did, we can chat and make plans for next year!!

    Sound good?? I thought so,it’s been fun, have a great Holiday Season and God bless.

    PS
    Try and catch a couple of games, if you have any questions check back. I’ll be happy to help.
    Later!!

  • Spot ck

    Please, now everyone has been very nice, it’s time for you to have some left-overs and work on your
    Sunday sermon.

    Check back at the end of the season and see how we did, we can chat and make plans for next year!!

    Sound good?? I thought so,it’s been fun, have a great Holiday Season and God bless.

    PS
    Try and catch a couple of games, if you have any questions check back. I’ll be happy to help.
    Later!!

  • Jimdribble

    As I said I am worried about this game. They are a disciplined team that plays good defense. I feel it is important to get the ball inside to Mouph and go inside out if we need moving the ball. They can shoot the three so we need to shut that down.
    That was my post from this morning and the first post on this thread. I knew we were going to lose. Why? We cannot defend a pick and pop team that has pure shooters. What bothers me is this.

    1. Why did we not switch to a zone? I know you do not want to play zone against a shooting team but they St. Louis runs an offense more conducive to the man to man. Just change things up Jay. Why were we double teaming with shooters like they had. GIVE UP the damn two point basket. How many points did they have in the paint?  6 total.
    2. Why take Mouph out with two fouls for the whole half? The whole game changed we were up 8 when that happened. Also, the offense changed from less movement to more dribble. And people who get on Mouph the guy touched the ball 7 times total. We do not know how to pass in to the post from the sides. Bell has thrown it away many times on that pass.
    3. When Wayns shoots more than 17 times in a game WE WILL LOSE. Why? Because we need to distribute the ball and get everyone involved.  Wayns had five turnovers and four assists. He can do better but we need balance.
    4. This team has the talent but they have to learn to PASS THE BALL BETTER. St. Louis played a team game with crisp passing. We dribbled and went 1 on 1. Wayns went 1 on 1 and Pinkston went 1 on 1. Team basketball beats 1 on 1 that simple.

  • Jimdribble

    As I said I am worried about this game. They are a disciplined team that plays good defense. I feel it is important to get the ball inside to Mouph and go inside out if we need moving the ball. They can shoot the three so we need to shut that down.
    That was my post from this morning and the first post on this thread. I knew we were going to lose. Why? We cannot defend a pick and pop team that has pure shooters. What bothers me is this.

    1. Why did we not switch to a zone? I know you do not want to play zone against a shooting team but they St. Louis runs an offense more conducive to the man to man. Just change things up Jay. Why were we double teaming with shooters like they had. GIVE UP the damn two point basket. How many points did they have in the paint?  6 total.
    2. Why take Mouph out with two fouls for the whole half? The whole game changed we were up 8 when that happened. Also, the offense changed from less movement to more dribble. And people who get on Mouph the guy touched the ball 7 times total. We do not know how to pass in to the post from the sides. Bell has thrown it away many times on that pass.
    3. When Wayns shoots more than 17 times in a game WE WILL LOSE. Why? Because we need to distribute the ball and get everyone involved.  Wayns had five turnovers and four assists. He can do better but we need balance.
    4. This team has the talent but they have to learn to PASS THE BALL BETTER. St. Louis played a team game with crisp passing. We dribbled and went 1 on 1. Wayns went 1 on 1 and Pinkston went 1 on 1. Team basketball beats 1 on 1 that simple.

  • Spot ck

    It’s not the team. In fairness to the team,it’s time for the coach to “grow”or get someone to assist him
    in helping the team, learn how to play like a team.

  • Jimdribble

    I forgot to add that Yarou had six shots total and made four. That is absurd. He is MUCH better than last year and needs the rock. When Wayns takes 20 shots and Yarou takes 6 something is wrong.

     By the way as I said St. Louis is the same type team as Notre Dame last year and Notre Dame beat us bad. When teams play with four good outside shooters we get burned because we double team leaving a shooter open. Jay never makes another team adjust to his team. We played right into their game. 

  • Anonymous

    To quote the coach……we had no answers defensively.

  • Anonymous

    Three Hail Mary’s for that mean guy with the elbows.

  • Anonymous

    Excuse me? Who said we were all Catholic?

  • Vegasgirl

    Have Nova ties, but live here in Vegas-have to say that Dave Rice is doing a great job with this UNLV team.  We will be at the Orleans cheering for the Rebels tomorrow.  At least I feel they have some promise this year.  Not so much for the Cats-so much talent-no excuse!

  • Vegasgirl

    Have Nova ties, but live here in Vegas-have to say that Dave Rice is doing a great job with this UNLV team.  We will be at the Orleans cheering for the Rebels tomorrow.  At least I feel they have some promise this year.  Not so much for the Cats-so much talent-no excuse!

  • Anonymous

    Answer:our secret weapon!

  • Sandy

    They are coached to switch. The defensive scheme has been a joke. It only works against teams that can’t shoot the three.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe all our games this year should be played in Vegas…..then no one would know.

  • Sandy

    Again this comes down to coaching. Little discipline on JW’s teams the last few years and they resort to this crap when they don’t have a response to a well coached team.

  • Sandy

    No, the junior class was the 2nd rated class coming out of high school. What happened after that is on the Nova coaching staff.

  • Sandy

    MacDowell’s All-American.

  • Johnnyb1

    Lost to who? what the fuck is a Billiken?

  • Ed’77

    Statsheet.com is reporting Villanova’s RPI at 163??? Is that possible?

    http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/villanova

  • Sandy

    Gave up my season tickets during the second to the last year of the Steve Lappas era and felt the same disgust mid-way thru last year. I was under the impression that West and Lange would bring some changes to both the offensive and defensive schemes. Unfortunately that is not the case.
    Nova use to be the underdog team that thrived on playing the teams full of mickey D all-stars who played dumb and undisciplined basketball. Nova has become one of those teams.

  • Spot ck

    5 Games and the chemistry is giving bad vibes already!!

    Even Mouph, where is that driving intensity and focus.

    Cheek, great start, leading scorer, bingo pouting and nothing.

    Bell?? 3pts-16pts Does he know his role.

    Wayns might be trying to do too much,but he is giving everything he has on every play.

    TJ, who knows?? It’s like he is not part of the team.

    Pinkston, why all the minutes, does he even know where he is, no less what he is doing.

    Who is going to pull this mess together and give these kids a chance to show what they can be.
    Jay Wright?? He’ll tell you it’s the lack of senior leadership!! I was hoping one of the new coaches
    would remind him, he is the Senior Leadership. A role he does not embrace.

  • Chris81

    I rest my case.

  • Chris81

    I rest my case.

  • Joegrane

    I could not believe that after Mouph went to the bench with two fouls and a 10pt lead that they went with a smaller lineup and jacked up 3s with no one to grab a board.  I expected them to play a more methodical pace and take good shots, not to resort to street ball.  Malik was part of the problem, although he was generally brilliant.

    That game reminded me why I don’t like young teams in tournaments.  They were beaten by a much smarter team.

  • Spot ck

    Good lord man, you have no case, you just don’t get it.

    If you don’t know the sport, which in your case is oh so obvious, move on and find another sand-box
    to play in.

    VUhoops, it’s about Villanova basketball not about some Dr Phil hack preaching about fan behavior.

    You do need rest, that I agree with.

    Well, there’s no time like the present to get started on your rest, so say good-night and pleasant dreams.

  • Spot ck

    Jim, it’s the same old story, your just inserting different names.

    It won’t change until you change one name. It makes no difference how many stars our recruits have
    it will be the same old story.

    Meaningful change starts at the top, until that happens it will be the same old story.

  • Spot ck

    Very good!!

  • Tommyboy

    Wow….we could be a “cupcake” on the Monmouth & American schedules next year!

  • Tommyboy

    Wow….we could be a “cupcake” on the Monmouth & American schedules next year!

  • Barney Rubble

    What’s a Bronco?    (and don’t say Tim Tebow…lol)
    Villanova vs Santa Clara 

    Oklahoma     85
    Santa Clara   73 
    OK outscored SC  42-18 in the 1st half.  

    UC-R took BC to overtime before losing.   Boston College is officially a horrible basketball team.   They may not win a game in the ACC this year.   

  • Dom

    Good post Wallace.  Opposing coaches know JW is a conservative coach, who doesn’t make adjustments , they play against him, not Wayans, Yarou etc.  In the St. Louis game they knew real fast the Jay Wright was not going to defend the three because of his absolute fear of a foul against a three point shooter.   We have length, speed and gifted athletes who run as fast as deer, yet no one challenged the three, Why? IMO Jays’ fear of a foul.  So the X’s and O’s for ST.L. at halftime were all about Jay. They obviously found his weak spot.

  • Dom

    Good comment mddcny.  What a helluva thing for a coach to say.  Kind of a surrender attitude  against an average bb team..very scary. 

  • Cord

    As opposed to “as I said” why don’t you just say I told you so

  • Cord

    As opposed to “as I said” why don’t you just say I told you so

  • Sandy

    I like Mo in the game, but not 30 feet from the basket.

  • Jpb

    Once again Jay Wright fails to make any in-game adjustments.

  • EG’77

    Totally agree that JW is being too conservative not playing guys with 2 fouls, especially Mouph.  Think it stems from the 4 guard era when he, understandably, had to preserve what little size he had, and that size was largely complementary to guard play.  But Mouph needs to be a key cog in this offense and is a player who can reliably get a double double each game.  He’s young in b-ball years and seems to need time to get into the flow of the game. I’d rather see him foul out with 6 minutes to go in the game after giving his best and take my chances with Sutton and the other bigs down the streatch.

    As for Wayns and his lack of assists, it does require the person you pass to to make a shot to be able to record an assist.  Wonder how many assists he would have had if JVP made even a few of his many chippies and Cheek shot a decent percent.  Given that nobody other than Bell was making anything, I don’t blame Wayns for trying to put the team on his back in the later stages of the game.

  • NovaFlyer

    i agree with all these posts…

  • Southoftheborder

    Our young team needs to be involved in the execution of plays. To have one individual hoard the offense is counterproductive and demoralizing for the rest of the team mates.

  • Vegasgirl

    Agree 100%.  It isn’t too late for JW to correct this issue.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOC22RU72ANMEYVFV2H57PGXDQ Christopher

    At least the weather is great the team should have a beautiful California day to enjoy the sites. Then tomorrow they can win a close game against that catholic power house Santa Clara

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps little known fact. Back in late 60′s or early 70′s, when we were D1, played Santa Clara in football. Dan Pastorini was their QB. Think we might have won that game.

  • Anonymous

    Think we need a change of pace from these catholic schools. Why not schedule Brandeis or NYU or Utah State or even Ash’s high school, LI Lutheran.

  • Amile Jefferson’s Diary

    Dear Diary,
    Having a great Thanksgiving with my family until my dad made me watch that Villanova game on Friday and it made me sick to my stomach.  Coach Wright seems like a nice enough guy and my moms likes him but he doesn’t care much for moving the ball around on offense so I would be lucky to get 4 or 5 touches a game if I go there. 
    I wish Raleigh was closer because I think NC State would be best for me to maximize my skills and start early in my career..   

  • Anonymous

    I wonder what Montrose Christian coach Stu Vetter must be thinking?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    I don’t know what all the fuss is about.  We are guaranteed at worst a 4th place finish in the 76 Classic!

  • Cord

    How do you give Cheek a “C” Brian? We NEED him to score the ball and shoot it consistently. We NEED him to defend. What did he do?

  • Kish19044

    In they past I  have seen guys bust their butts for low post position and Wayns drives right past them.      What is the point?    Wayns is not a great pg.  

  • Spot ck

    That’s now offical. Jett Career best!! 3 for 3!!

  • Kish19044

    Jay is really out of touch.  He is sounding like Billy king.    There are only 3 players on the planet who can play 5 positions.   Magic Johnson,   John Salmons(according to Billy King),  and now we have JV Pinkston(according to Jay Wright.    lol

    I am not sure JV Pinkston can even play ONE position.  

    Ever notice that when a player is not very good at his job,   the coaches start selling his versatility?

  • Kish19044

    Pinkston and Magic Johnson  can  play 5 positions.   

  • Kish19044

    Undercoached or overcoached?      Sometimes when you overcoach it makes players confused.  
    KISS.  Keep it simple stupid. 

  • Guglio

    I hope Coach Wright takes careful note that Hilliard, played 28 mins ans was rated only C-.

  • Kish19044

    There is a reason that my pic is in the high school gym and not Jay Wright’s. 

  • Kish19044

    No.  Ne needs to grow about 3 inches.     6-5 power forwards usually struggle in the BE. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    And “Wayans” doesn’t deserve an A for dropping 29 points.  His job involves much more than scoring.  In order to win, he needs to put much more emphasis on involving the rest of the guys on the court in the offense.  If he racks up huge point totals and we lose by double digits, he didn’t do his job as far as I am concerned.  Four assists is paltry.

  • Anonymous

    Does coaching staff get to wear Mickey Mouse ears?

  • Joegrane

    These are freshman problems.  They need to play and we need to expect the negatives at this point.  It is great that we see bright spots from them too.  They have talent; they just need to refine it and learn the high-major game. 

    Recall that Stokes came in as a highly regarded shooter, yet his 3pt shooting was terrible until late in his freshman year.

  • Joegrane

    Maybe Jay wants the kids to learn that defense and is willing to take the lumps that go along with the steep learning curve.

  • Kish19044

    Is Rasheed Jordan slow?

    Would you rather have small and fast or big and fast? 

  • imisskylelowry

    Brian – I think you  need a post that dicusses the merits of JW as coach.  I’ve long been a defender of his, but I’m not seeing anything useful out of him anymore.

    Defensively we get torched by the same things over and over.  Offensively we do nothing.  The burn, don’t even get me started on that failure last year.  Recruiting players like Dominic Cheek and not utilizing them properly (this guy was coached up by Bob Hurley and played huge roles for him; he should’ve been ready to come in from day 1 and be a factor).

    Other than coaching in-game and preparation, there’s the other things.  The on and off court character issues (Armwood, Pinkston, etc.).  Guard U moniker in which no guards really make the NBA (apologies to Foye and Lowry and to a lesser extent Ray).

    I’m honestly sick of it.  His recruiting prowess is not strong enough to warrant these coaching inadequacies.

  • chuck st. petersburg,fl

    jim,
        you are completely right. you think amile jefferson wants to play here and have our guard play a “burn” offense.play as a team that’s the only way these freshman and sophmore will improve.

  • Jimdribble

    The one thing is that box scores do not lie. Our team took 50 shots and Wayns took 20. When 40 percent of your offense comes from one person you will not win. I honestly would like to see Johnson get some more time at the point. He had two assists in five minutes and seems to be geared towards being a pure point and distributing the ball. I am not saying Wayns should not start I am just saying that the only way we are going to have a good season is to develop balance in our team.

    I thought it was interesting that Wayns said and I quote “they were denying everyone so I could not make passes”. When you are denied the ball you back door. Two back doors and they stop denying the ball. We just do not know how to back door I have seen it once in three games.What I look for in the team is not wins and losses right now but how they defend and distribute the ball to get everyone involved. When our team is charted against opponents I guarantee we pass the ball 30 percent less and dribble 30 percent more. 

  • Kish19044

    Wayns is the problem. He is not a great PG.   He is more interested in scoring than getting his teammates involved in the offense. 

  • chuck st. petersburg,fl

    we haven’t played as a team since  dante cunningham senor year. they were such a pleasure to watch.

  • Ed’77

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  • Kish19044

    The important thing is Wayns got his points. 

  • Anonymous

    As Jim Morrison sang:I’m a Back Door Man.

  • Barney Rubble

    Maybe we can tie Jay Wright to the long ago John DuPont scandals and give him a Paterno type heave-ho. 
    DuPont was almost as sexually perverted as Sandusky and he broke far more specific NCAA rules while being given the ridiculous label of  official “Head Coach” by the Villanova Athletic Dept. in a sport the guy knew virtually nothing about.   
    During that same period, Jay Wright was on campus as Rollie’s Asst…hmmm.  Doug West was a player at the time. 
    How deep do these scadals go?  Someone call ESPN and we can take the whole lot of them down. 

  • Barney Rubble

    I heard they lost again today to some Mickey Mouse team in anaheim….lol

    http://static.flickr.com/3/4831153_12802fd855_z.jpg   

  • BoyStop

    Good Lord, you people don’t know the meaning of patience

  • Spot ck

    Jay- Agree 100%.
    Magic- Agree 100%.

    The reason I like Salmons, “This is fun, 4 guys standing around watching some little guy dribble the
    f…ing ball all night”.(Iverson-Salmons was gone in a snap & was damn glad).

    JVP looks like he doesn’t know where he is, no less know what he is supposed to do.
    Talk about being out of touch.

  • Spot ck

    Both, when under-coached you don’t have a game plan, so when the game starts you are screaming
    and hollering(after the fact) and running guys in and out,until nobody knows what the F… is going on
    and you get a guy like Mouph grabbing the GT of 2 Rebs and your leading scorer scoring the GT of 2PTS. Over-coaching.

    We have the classic example of what not to do!!

  • Spot ck

    Lose a game by not playing defense?

  • Spot ck

    The Big East, that’s down the road, he’s struggling in practice.

  • Spot ck

    The Big East, that’s down the road, he’s struggling in practice.

  • Spot ck

    EXCUSE ME!! You people…!!!

    PreacherBoy!!

    Just what we need a self-appointed preacher!! Ugh!!

  • JR92

    I think, at this point, that coaching is a big part of the problem.  Jay Wright is a terrific recruiter and has been great for the program overall but I think if this year ends with another collapse (as with the past 2 years) you really have to start questioning if he should remain.  Regardless of who is on the floor there are some constant themes -

    1. No offensive scheme beyond a high pick and roll, then jack up a 3 or drive wildly to the hoop.  How about a little Hoosier style basketball – no one shoots until at least 3 passes are made!

    2. Very good players not getting enough touches because of above – just disappearing in games — Allan Ray, Corey Stokes, Dominic Cheek…

    3. Slow motion offense when speed is your asset.  Why oh why does every point guard dribble slowly up the court to “set” the offense only to take it 1 on 1 without any motion?

    4. Teams having record setting 3 point shooting nights against us.  Why?  Because of the double teaming at half court.  Yes we might get a few steals but we also give up a lot of open looks.  And once a good shooter gets a few in they get into their groove and contested looks start dropping.  Just play hard man to man or zone, and stop that half court press once you get burned a couple of times.

    5. Overestimation of talent, or sticking to one player out of loyalty.  Dwayne Andersen didn’t start until the second half of his Junior year — and it was obvious he was twice the player Shane Clark ever was.  There was no reason that guy should have been riding the pine for so long.  Pinkston may have talent, but this is no super star deserving lots of minutes.  Remember Malcom Grant??  Guy puts up one of the best efforts I’ve ever seen against LSU then rides the bench.  Yacabou is polished, and is a scorer — should be on the floor more.

    OK – I will admit number 5 is a judgment call and I may be wrong there but can anyone really disagree with 1-4?  I’m open to the fact that I’m off base here because I’m not basketball coach and Jay has been doing this for a long time, but I don’t see any other explanation.

  • Dave

     crawl back under your rock Barney.  idiot.

  • chuck st. petersburg,fl

    we miss chambers

  • Chris81

    A little touchy, are we?

    Are you twelve?

  • Cord

    Kishet please> just 2 words– Wayns sucks

  • Anonymous

    nice

  • Spot ck

    I haven’t, he is our best player and a good point guard.

    Is he “great” does he create, no!!

  • Doctorfeelgoodes

    easy sch in dec??? at this rate we lose to st joes & temple.

  • Btownnova

    Very disappointed with the St. Louis game. After the last two miserable seasons, I see no reason to watch this team play constipated street ball again. 

    Wow, does Nova miss Cunningham, Reynolds and a decent coach, or what?

  • CYO Fan

    ctrl+f Spot ck shows up 21 times. You sir, need another hobby.

  • Kish19044

    Spotock,     

    What makes Wayns a good PG?   Does he get the rest of the team involved in the offense?    

    Why did St Louis win the game when their PG had less points than Wayns?

  • Kish19044

    How about you post,   “Wayns is great”  after each loss? 

  • Comegetsome

    Again this pains me to agree with Kish, and although Wayns put up 29 points, and helped us to build the 10 point lead in the first half, he lacked the ability to set up teammates and get them involved early.  Watch the game after we go up 10, Wayns takes an ill advised 3 early in the shot clock, and then continues to push it unnecessarily.  At one point he had 5 turnovers to 4 assists, that is not efficient.  Especially with Yarou out in early foul trouble, it was imperative that they get someone else involved in the game.  If Cheek is not hitting his outside shots, help get him a bucket before 10 minutes left in the 2nd half.

    Some of that is Wayns looking for his own shot, some of it is JW running an offensive set.  No one is questioning Wayns scoring ability, but his vision is not what it needs to be right now.  Part of that is that he hasn’t been asked to set up teammates for the last 2 years.  After the 1st half, we completely abandoned high screens, which worked so efficiently in the first half.  The defensive scheme does need work, as many have mentioned.   Maybe they are still learning the “switch on every screen, don’t bother fighting through”, but its frustrating.

    If UNC, who has a true pass first, 1-guard, can lose to UNLV – we still have hope.

  • Comegetsome

    Again this pains me to agree with Kish, and although Wayns put up 29 points, and helped us to build the 10 point lead in the first half, he lacked the ability to set up teammates and get them involved early.  Watch the game after we go up 10, Wayns takes an ill advised 3 early in the shot clock, and then continues to push it unnecessarily.  At one point he had 5 turnovers to 4 assists, that is not efficient.  Especially with Yarou out in early foul trouble, it was imperative that they get someone else involved in the game.  If Cheek is not hitting his outside shots, help get him a bucket before 10 minutes left in the 2nd half.

    Some of that is Wayns looking for his own shot, some of it is JW running an offensive set.  No one is questioning Wayns scoring ability, but his vision is not what it needs to be right now.  Part of that is that he hasn’t been asked to set up teammates for the last 2 years.  After the 1st half, we completely abandoned high screens, which worked so efficiently in the first half.  The defensive scheme does need work, as many have mentioned.   Maybe they are still learning the “switch on every screen, don’t bother fighting through”, but its frustrating.

    If UNC, who has a true pass first, 1-guard, can lose to UNLV – we still have hope.

  • Comegetsome

    Spot CK and BIG DADDY need to up their dosage of their anti-depressant of choice and find the caps lock.

  • Kish19044

    Cord, 

    Just keep telling yourself that Wayns is great.    It is not his job to play defense becuase he is the leading scorer and he is going to the NBA. 

    I want to you post,   “Wayns is great”  after every loss. 

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