Wayns Cares About the Big5, Do You?

Posted by Brian Ewart on November 13, 2011 · Under News · 54 Comments 

Villanova gets blamed for the downfall of the Philadelphia Big 5  by fans of the other Philadelphia schools, by reporters, and even by the former Governor of Pennsylvania. Whether Villanova was culpable or not is a matter for another day. The Big 5 has been beaten up and bruised a bit over the years, but it lives on as an annual round-robin city series.

Villanova fans are largely characterized as anti-Big 5 by Philadelphians, and that may be partially because so many Villanovans are not from Philadelphia. While some Villanova students hail from the Philadelphia metropolitan area, many come to the Main Line from New York or Boston, or from further afield, and the tradition of a city round-robin just isn’t ingrained in the culture of many (any?) other locales.

Even the players may question the Big 5′s relevance when they come from further away.

Not Maalik Wayns, though.

The Philadelphia Daily News’ Mike Kern spoke to Wayns and his friend, Ramone Moore of Temple, in a preseason question-and-answer session. Wayns had a bit to say about the Big 5 tradition.

“When you’re from Philly and you’re playing in the city, playing in the Big 5, you know it means way more to you than it does to a guy who comes from New York to play (here), or something like that,” Wayns told the Daily News. “So every game in the Big 5, you know it’s just, whether you’re playing against a Xavier or like I play against Syracuse, it’s just as much significance.

“I care about Big 5 a whole lot, watching it growing up. It’s just as important to me, even more important, because you’ve got to see those guys throughout the summer, the year, (even) the rest of your life. We hang out together, so it’s like bragging rights really.”

While some Villanova fans decry the Big 5 as weak scheduling, the Wildcats’ non-conference strength of schedule is about middle-of-the-pack for a Big East team this season. Games against Temple are tough and hard fought and teams like St. Joes and La Salle have given Villanova a challenge as well in recent years despite finishing at  or near the bottom of the Atlantic 10.

As much as many of us dream of a day when Villanova could schedule UNC, Duke, Michigan State and UCLA in the same December, it would seem more likely that the end of the Big 5 would see more Monmouth’s added to the schedule. A10 schools replaced with MAAC and NEC programs would hardly be an improvement, but would certainly be more likely for a major conference program seeking to run up its win total before taking some losses in conference play.

The Big 5 is a tradition for Philadelphia. While Villanovans are not necessarily born into that tradition, shouldn’t those November and December games against cross-town rivals baptize the Main Line fan into it?

Perhaps what it would take, is a return to the Palestra double-headers. Splitting the crowd at mid-court and watching as dueling student sections unfurl their roll-out signs insulting each other, questioning players personal habits and on occasion, saying something nice about their own school, used to be the hallmark of the Big 5 contest.

That tradition was lost when Villanova and Temple (yes, Temple was making the same move), broke off from the round robin series in 1991 in order to play a more “national” schedule and seek out bigger television exposure. The double-headers were no more and games were scheduled on campus sites. Even when the round robin contests began anew in 1999, the unique character of playing Big 5 games in Palestra double-headers were gone.

Somewhere along the line, the Villanova students may have forgotten how to make a roll-out sign as well. The only roll-out sign spotted in the Villanova student section last season was a St. Joes prank, reading, “the Hawk Will Never Die.”

If the Big 5 is going to mean anything to Villanovans, the school and it’s fans must re-embrace the tradition and the rivalry.

  • Bob801

    I always enjoyed the Big Five games.  The older alumni (like me) remember the great VU-Penn games in the late 60′s & early 70′s.  The rivalry is good for all the schools.  I don’t like the cursing cheers from certain groups of rival students who sit behind me in the Pavilion. It shows their total lack of class.

    I have to miss the La Salle game on Tuesday because of a meeting. (Sigh).  I also have to miss the Delaware football game on Saturday and the Boston U game (Dec 13) for meetings also.  Does anyone want those tickets? (email me at bobpez@yahoo.com) – sorry for the commercial announcement.  Now back to our regularly scheduled show…  Go Cats

  • Sandy

    1. The intensity of the Big 5 games helps Nova prepare for BE and tournament games down the road.
    2. The double headers were a joke, started following Nova when they would play Eastern 8 games in the Palestra, after the Nova game was over the place would empty out for LaSalle/West Chester etc….
    3. Tipping point was when Rollie tried to show a recruit the Palestra and Bob Weinauer would not let them in
    4. Give Jay a lot of credit for taking his team into Gola Arena, kind of like USC playing Nova in football at Villanova Stadium
    5. Would be in favor of the Temple and St. Joes game at the Wach
    6. The roll-outs and the streamers did provide a great atmosphere, Billy Packer was responsible for canning the streamers claiming it took too long to clean them up and interupting the broadcast, (instead we got tv commericials every 8 minutes); roll-outs got canned because there is not a cultural standard for what is over the top inappropriat
    7. At one time the Big 5 ment something nationally and in terms of NCAA selections, today it is nationally irrelevant

  • Barney Rubble

    There is nothing wrong with the BIG FIVE,   The games provide drama for the city and it keeps Villanova grounded in the CITY.   We are a suburban campus and that’s not a bad thing but the BIG FIVE keeps Villanova tied to City of Philadelphia and that is a good thing.   
    Why the Comcast channels doesn’r show BIG FIVE games that are not on ESPN is something I don’t understand.  But I guess all those infomercials and Red Bull sponsored “bi-plane” obstacle coure shows are too important for them.  lol    

    The talent will go in cycles and both Penn & St Joe’s have dippped in the last few years while Temple has stepped up under Dunphy.  

    LaSalle’s problem is they simply don’t invest in their basketball program and they never should have left the MAAC where they are better equipped to face off with Siena, St Peters, Iona, Fairfield group.  They have posted only 2 wiining conference records in 16 years in the A-10 and have very little chance of making another NCAA tournament and that isn’t going to change anytime soon.   
    LaSalle also spent 3 seasons (1992-95) in the MCC which was the forerunner of the Horizon Conference that Butler plays in currently along with Cleveland State, UW-Milwaukee, Detroit and Loyola-Chicago,       

  • Barney Rubble

    Like the idea of the Temple-Nova game moved to the Wachovia now that both teams are in up cycle.   Even signing a 2 or 4yr deal so they both lose the same number of Home games with the move and distributing tickets evenly to each school for that game.  With the Mayors Cup football ending after next September, maybe the Mayors cup basketball could replace it. 

  • Barney Rubble

    BTW, I have to mention that DREXEL deserves inclusion in the BIG FIVE as the other schools with their Basketball team over the last 15 years or so. 
    Unfortunately, having 6 teams makes that 5th game even more difficult on an OOC schedule when Jay is planning our season.  But I like the years when Jay can fit them on our schedule as a CAA team.  Right now we seem to be going with playing Delaware the last 2 years.   

  • Barney Rubble

    I wonder if Amile Jefferson cares about the BIG FIVE?

    Not that it probably mattered much but Stanford got pasted last night by Oregon so IF Amile had stayed for the big football game, there was no joy in mudville.   He did get to see Stanford Basketball blow out Central Arkansas on Friday night.  
    Hopefully, he got some sleep on the flight home so he can work out the final decision tonight or tomorrow.   Without any evidence that he took a recent look at Villanova, I think we are on the outside looking in on this one but you never know.   
    Jay has told everyone that his staff took their best shot at the kid and spent a lot of time on the recruitment of Jefferson.  IF we lose him to NC State, I still consider that a bit of a headscratcher but I realize Gottfried did a good job selling his program to Amile.

  • Anonymous

    The other B5 schools (save perhaps Temple), have only themselves to blame for the relative lack of interest in the series, especially outside of philly.  Nova and its fans have designs and have proven themselves on the national stage.  To me, the B5 will never again be what it could be as long as the risk/reward for playing teams likes St Joes and LaSalle works against Nova.  It’s up to B5 schools to make themselves relevant and competitive.  As long as a St Joes win means next to nothing and a loss is almost unrecoverable,  it will be difficult to embrace B5 rivalries as in years past.   

  • Anonymous

    The other B5 schools (save perhaps Temple), have only themselves to blame for the relative lack of interest in the series, especially outside of philly.  Nova and its fans have designs and have proven themselves on the national stage.  To me, the B5 will never again be what it could be as long as the risk/reward for playing teams likes St Joes and LaSalle works against Nova.  It’s up to B5 schools to make themselves relevant and competitive.  As long as a St Joes win means next to nothing and a loss is almost unrecoverable,  it will be difficult to embrace B5 rivalries as in years past.   

  • Ed’77

    If you were a student in the 70s, the Big Five was huge.  Joe “Jellybean” Bryant, father of NBA phenom Koby Bryant, was an excellent college player.  Penn was an elite program in those days.  And St. Joes was always St. Joes (favorite memory:  SJU players warming up, returning to the the lockers, only to emerge for the start of the game with shaved heads).  There is great tradition in the Big Five.  I still enjoy the rivalry, and I am from New Jersey!

  • Anonymous

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/11/12/1637676/cj-leslie-out-3-games-after-reported.html

    If he’s Villanova’s kind of guy, these types of concerns coupled with Gottfried’s issue at Alabama with key players should give him pause…

  • td

    Before the shotclock, the Big V was excellent preparation for the NCAA tournament where taking full advantage of each ball possession is so important. Back in 71, Villanova found it very difficult for a victory against a Penn team led by Dave Bilskey and Wohl part of a very talented team who would gain an advantage on their home court and procede to guard the ball. However, in the tournament, Villanova took the lead and never looked back in defeating Penn 90-47 on their way to competing against UCLA in the NCAA finals. Ironic as it may be, without the shot clock, UCLA was able to withstand a furious Nova rally to prevail 68-62 for the championship. It wasn’t until we defeated Georgetown for the championship could we say that we had the shot clock advantage. For the current Cat team, let’s take the lead and not look back.

  • Crdcharlie

    Yhe last demise of the Big Five has always been blamed ov Villanova but John Chaney was quite outspoken in his desire to break-up the Big Five —– why never any mention of this by the local so called sports writers???

    I see no reason to attempt to carry on with the Big Five. It serves no purpose other than to give St Joes and LaSalle 90 minutes in the spotlight          Chas.

  • Doctorfeelgoodes

    loved the sticky floors @ smokey joes. the ride home on the train was always eventfull

  • Anonymous

    BTW…it will come as no surprise to Kish but I found it interesting that Wayns seems to like the B5 so much that he guaranteed he’ll be around for 2 more years of it!!!

  • Fact

    I made my thoughts known about this a while back on VUHoops.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    “4. Give Jay a lot of credit for taking his team into Gola Arena, kind of like USC playing Nova in football at Villanova Stadium”

    Or like Wake Forest playing at Villanova Stadium? Oh wait, that actually happened in 1988:
    http://articles.philly.com/1988-09-04/sports/26232979_1_demon-deacons-wildcats-wake-forest-rolls

  • FishtownFrankie

    In the 60′s and 70′s  The big five was what VU basketball was all about . I don’t want to ever see it die.

  • Jimdribble

    Love the Big Five. I actually root for all the Big Five teams when they are not playing Nova. I used to love the Palestra and the energy of the games and the fans. Nothing beat taking the train down and walking into the Palestra and seeing the games in an intimate venue.  I for one loved the doubleheaders as you could see four teams in one night. I do wish Villanova played one game a year there just for the history. 

  • Southoftheborder

    The intensity, the nerves and expectations were sky-high! The Big Five was a national event.

  • Spot ck

    You simply had to be there, forget trying to explain it, somethings can’t be explained and that’s a good thing.

    The landscape has changed on so many fronts, there is no going back.

    If we didn’t have a Big Five in 2011, someone would come up the idea and we would be celebrating
    the birth of the Big Five. So be happy enjoy and never stop telling your kids and grand-kids about the
    old Big Five.

    We should explore going back to the Palestra and having a couple of knocked out double-headers.
    Try to give it a jump-start.

    It’s worth saving.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I’m sure that those games and ties to the city help Villanova recruit local kids like Wayns too. Not all local kids care, but for those who do, it helps. For those who don’t? I don’t think that Gerald Henderson went to Duke because might have to play at Tom Gola Arena if he chose Nova…

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    They are gauging the interest in that UDel rivalry, I think. They scheduled three games against UDel this week – women’s hoops, men’s hoops and football – and are trying to promote it as “beat week.”

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Unrecoverable? They lost to St. Joes in 2007-08 and then ended up a 12 seed and made it to the Sweet 16.

  • FruitLoops

    1. Nice article.  Although not from Philadelphia, I enjoyed the Big 5 games (I’ve attended Nova Big 5 games at the Pavilion, Liacouras Center and The Palestra).  A Big 5 doubleheader at the Palestra would have been amazing and would have piqued the interest of the less avid basketball fan.  Too bad I wasn’t around for the old days of the Big 5.

    2. The Gestapo, er, the “security” at VU basketball games says that roll-out signs aren’t allowed.  Limiting appropriate cheering and fan signs at games can hurt sports in the long run (read: tailgating ban at Villanova football games).

    3. I have a problem with the way student tickets are distributed for away schools at Big Five games (Villanova included).  They put the St. Joe’s kids in the upper section on the opposite side.  Also, at the Liacouras center, we were in the second tier of seats almost adjacent to the Temple student section below.  It was awkward when their students would have to gawk up at us to cheer “at” us and vice versa.  Guess that point goes back to a round robin at the Palestra being more palpitable.

  • Ailurophile

    6.  I think Bucky Waters was jointly responsible with Billy Packer for the campaign against the streamers.  

  • Bill ’62

    Based on many of the comments in this post and past posts, I have to agree with Spot ck’s “You simply had to be there…”.  At a time — unfortunately in the too distant past — experiencing the enthusiasm and excitement of Big Five games in the Palestra established memories that will never be forgotten for those of us fortunate enough to have been there.  Things have changed over the years, and the Big Five atmosphere of years past has been diluted; but I for one hope the round robin Big Five scheduling continues for years to come.  One thing I don’t understand is the many Villanovans who denigrate the basketball programs of the other Big Five members, especially St. Joe’s and LaSalle.  Crdcharlie seemed to express the feelings of others here when he wrote, “I see no reason to attempt to carry on with the Big five.  It serves no purpose other than to give St Joes and LaSalle 90 minutes in the spotlight.”  In my opinion, what a shame if that’s the only Big Five purpose you’re able to see.  Penn, Temple, LaSalle, and St. Joe’s are worthy opponents, but the importance of the Big Five goes far beyond the basketball contests on the hardwood.  The Big Five is a Philadelphia tradition, and I hope someday the schools will find a way to work together to regenerate its enthusiasm and excitement.  What a shame if all we’ll be able to say about it is, “You simply had to be there…”.

    For Maalik Wayns:  Thanks for caring.  I hope you and your teammates show us how important the Big Five games are to you this season.  Play hard and bring home four round robin wins.

  • Barney Rubble

    ESPN Paul Biancardi also getting the sales pitch from Mark Gottfried at NC State.    He is calling the Morehead State vs NC State game tonight on ESPN3 and tweeting how wonderful the new Men’s Basketball training facility is at the school.    I am sure Biancardi will be spouting off about the potential of adding A. Jefferson tonight to the Wolfpack faithful while on the air.
    http://yfrog.com/j2tejtnj 
    http://yfrog.com/nygzcsdj   
    http://www.gopack.com/facilities/dail-center.html 

    Go Morehead State!!

  • N34110

    I agree with you. If people think we have too many easy games, then we should dump other games and keep playing the city schools, while sometimes including Drexal. Monmouth, Delaware, American, and Bos U should be cut before we cut out Big 5 games.

  • Anonymous

    No Brian…”almost” unrecoverable…and the specific year you point out makes my point.  We were among the last in the NCAA that year with a St Joes loss on our resume as a “bad” loss.  But for a number of wins over conference champs, that loss would have kept us out of the dance…and that’s a 21 win St Joes team.

  • GPraz

    I love the Big Five. At times it has hurt Nova with tough games especially in beginning of seasons and most schools ‘circle’ Villanova on their schedules. Regardless the tradition lasting from 1950′s until today is rare for anything and given the Big Least crazy stufff, conference re-alingment, and now the Penn State nonesense the Big Five offers something “pure” where the champion gets …well nothing except bragging rights… Love it.

  • Barney Rubble

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/6939209/panel-selects-arenas-provided-coolest-college-basketball-experience 
    >>> Dana O’Neil: The Palestra is a Philadelphia basketball assault to the senses. It smells of pretzels and history, a perfectly perfumed mustiness that somehow brings today’s game back in time. The lighting is suspect, so everything looks old-school grainy, as if a live game were being played in sepia tone. And when the building is filled to the corners with opposing pep bands dueling out fight songs, it is so loud that the tables that double as reporters’ work space literally shake. The Palestra is what made the Big 5 so special during its heyday, and it is what makes Philadelphia basketball so special today.<<<

  • Bill ’62

    Great find, Barney.  Also, a couple of years ago USA Today ran a full page article on the ten best places in the country to attend a college basketball game — The Palestra was one ofthe ten. 

  • GPraz

    hey Brian notice the game was a near sell out???  FBS team near sell out with a bad Nova team.. Oh well!

  • td

    If people are attempting to bring more nostalgia to the Big V contests i think a good idea may be to do away with the shot clock for these contests.

     I don’t think it’s a good idea to talk down about the Big V when a lot of schools are most likely contemplating about raiding a few more schools from the Big East next year, and what do the basketball schools really add that another major conference would not.

  • Gunner

    Gotta say, Ed. I was in the Palestra the night of the shaved Hawks (2/28/74 I think) and it was stunning. God Bless their twisted little hearts, but that was a classic psych out. The energy in that place when they came back out was palpable. I hate ‘em like no other, but you had to tip your hat that night. We were probably a better team, but they beat us that night.

  • Gunner

    God, Dana O’Neill. She looks like she does, and writes hoops like that? Mercy!

  • Gunner

    The nights I spent at the Palestra watching Villanova play Big 5 games were among the most exciting nights of my life. And the reason I’m still such a fan. You did have to be there to fully get it. And unless I’m mistaken, this was before we were “Nova.” We were still VILLAnova in those days, and the students’ cheer was “Let’s go Wildcats,” not “Let’s go Nova.” The Big Five was very special, and I’m glad we still play the games. There’s nothing like it anywhere in the country.

  • Gunner

    The nights I spent at the Palestra watching Villanova play Big 5 games were among the most exciting nights of my life. And the reason I’m still such a fan. You did have to be there to fully get it. And unless I’m mistaken, this was before we were “Nova.” We were still VILLAnova in those days, and the students’ cheer was “Let’s go Wildcats,” not “Let’s go Nova.” The Big Five was very special, and I’m glad we still play the games. There’s nothing like it anywhere in the country.

  • Sandy

    Interesting observation, I was thinking along similar lines last night as the Big 10 and ACC dominated ESPN coverage, often the same game was on two separate ESPN channels.  They are picking conference members and promising coverage. Duke vs Presbyterian???????

  • Barney Rubble

    Amile Jefferson is back from his final official visit to Stanford and will now focus on making a decision.
    “He enjoyed himself,” Philly Friends Central coach Jason Polykoff told SNY.tv by text. “He was able to catch the Stanford/Oregon football game which he said was a lot of fun.”
    ….Asked if there was a timetable on deciding, Polykoff said, “Not really. We’ll have a meeting [Monday] to figure it all out.”
    http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/11/13/jefferson-back-from-stanford-visit/  

    Tuesday’s LaSalle game would be a nice place to enjoy himself also….lol 

    “I really like that school,”  – Amile Jefferson on Villanova in June 2011. 

  • Mddcny

    I vote for years 1968-72 as being best Big Five years….all schools were competitive and had more than one star players..and of course, 1971 our big year – In Howard We Trust.

  • Mddcny

    I vote for years 1968-72 as being best Big Five years….all schools were competitive and had more than one star players..and of course, 1971 our big year – In Howard We Trust.

  • Barney Rubble

    PENN still considers their 1971 team to be UNDEFEATED and claims the NCAA Regional Championship as their own.
    I guess since they couldn’t win it on the court. they want it as a gift.

  • Mddcny

    Ha…that’s amazing….some great teams and players came to the Palestra to play Big 5 schools back then…Kentucky, Notre Dame, Spencer Haywood’s school ( I forget where he went! but Porter had great game against him)

  • Bill ’62

    Penn is 2nd on my favorites list (Villanova being an overwhelming 1st, of course) among the Big Five basketball teams.  Their round ball history is remarkable considering they can’t offer athletic scholarships.  Athletes are eligible for need based assistance, but that pales in comparison to scholarship recruiting by Div I schools.  If for no other reason, I will always appreciate Penn for opening the doors of the Palestra to the Big Five schools, thereby creating the most exciting and entertaining basketball atmosphere I have ever experienced.  But alas, as we old timers are now given to say, “You simply had to be there”.

  • EG’77

    Bill — Why not try to recreate it?  As today’s 24 hours of b-ball shows, ESPN is always looking for a fresh angle to sell college b-ball. How about an annual “Throwback Thursday” that would feature storied teams playing in storied arenas?  First up, an old fashioned Big 5 doubleheader at the Palestra, with a split house, rollouts, streamers and even throwback uni’s (but with longer shorts — a few things have improved).  They could do features on the history of the Palestra and other arenas and have players try on old uni’s and talk to storied players of the past.  As we careen into a future in which a team like Boise State could be in the Big East, it would be great to find new ways to recapture the passion of regional rivalries.

  • Bill ’62

    Great idea, EG’77.  Maybe we can plant the seed of your idea in the minds of the ESPN gurus.  With a little push from a major network, maybe something could be worked out.  Starting with the Palestra and the Big Five, it shouldn’t be hard to set up since the teams already schedule games with each other.  Also, ESPN is very familiar with the Palestra — they broadcasted a one hour documentary in 2007 titled “The Palestra: Cathredal of Basketball”.  Penn has done a great job of documenting some of the history of the place with pictures and narratives along the concourses circling the seats and playing floor.  A personal note:  I was back in Philly for my nephew’s wedding in 2007.  I took my son-in-law and grandson on tours of Villanova, St. Joe’s, and Penn.  The Palestra was locked up, but a maintenance worker came by and let us in.  We looked at all the attractions on the concourses and then went down to the floor.  Glen Miller (then Penn’s head coach) was there with three freshman recruits.  They let my grandson pass the ball around with them, and then I was able to take a picture of him making a shot from the foul line.  Talk about a nostalgic moment!

  • EG’77

    Thanks, Bill ’62.  Neat story!

    I’ll do my best to raise this idea in ESPN chats with folks like Dana O’Neill.  According to Brian, Reece Davis wanted to do this last year instead of the VU-Pitt game at the Pavillion, and I can’t imagine that a Philly old timer like Bill Rafterty wouldn’t like it too.  Maybe we could even get Jay Wright to wear vintage Amrani suits?

  • Bill ’62

    Thanks, EG.  It sounds as though you may have a heck of a lot better contacts than I have, but if there’s anything I can do to help generate some interest in your idea of “Throwback Thursdays”, please let me know.  The vintage Armani suits may be the ticket to helping us get this done.  By the way, I think I remember reading a while back that Jay Wright takes his teams down to the Palestra to show then the history and pride that permeates the place — I hope that is something he actually does.  Thanks again…

  • Chas

    Bill’62:  If the Big5 is so important how come it is not mentioned on Selection Sunday as one of the criteria for selection of a Philly team to the tournament. Also,why are these games not being carried on television locally if they are such “intense” local rivalries. and why are so few of them sell-outs? The growth of conference play had a very negative effect on these local games. People want to see big time cinference games.

    crdcharlie

  • Nick Jones

    ChillCat…how was that a bad loss to Saint Joes that year? If I remember correctly Saint Joes lost to Temple in the a10 final that year but still made the big dance as an AT LARGE team. I don’t think losing to an AT LARGE NCAA team is that bad.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the note Nick.  The reason I put the word “bad” in quotes is that it wasn’t my word.  My recollection is that it was termed a bad loss by networks that reviewed our NCAA resume that year.  I would tend to agree with you that a loss to a tourny team isn’t a bad one.  That year, we were among the last teams chosen and but for a number of wins over conference champs that year, the SJU loss would’ve been among the losses that kept us out.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the note Nick.  The reason I put the word “bad” in quotes is that it wasn’t my word.  My recollection is that it was termed a bad loss by networks that reviewed our NCAA resume that year.  I would tend to agree with you that a loss to a tourny team isn’t a bad one.  That year, we were among the last teams chosen and but for a number of wins over conference champs that year, the SJU loss would’ve been among the losses that kept us out.

  • Jaytf1

    Wrong! Temple did not break off the round robin They played the 4 big five games from 92-99 while Villanova was the only big five team to play two big five games a year.

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