WVU Sues the Big East

Posted by Brian Ewart on November 1, 2011 · Under Big East, Sports Law · 61 Comments 

Monongalia County Courthouse is the venue for WVU's lawsuit (Flickr/Jimmy Emerson)

According to an email obtained by CBS Sports, the Big East was notified today that West Virginia University has filed a suit against the Big East to attempt to avoid giving the 27 months notice required by conference bylaws. The suit claims a “lack of leadership, breach of fiduciary duties by the Big East and its Commissioner, and voting disparity between the football and non-football schools resulted in the Big East football conference no longer being a viable and competitive football conference.”

West Virginia could leave the Big East at any time, but risks a breach of contract suit if they fail to comply with the notice requirement. The Big XII will need a 10th member next fall if the Missouri Tigers are able to complete their move to the SEC in time. The Big East, however, has taken a hard line approach to the exit notice provision and has refused to negotiate with the Mountaineers at this time.

Nothing will stop the Mountaineers from leaving the Big East for the 2012-13 season. Even if the Big East were to sue them for breaching the contract, they would not be likely get a court to order them to play two more seasons of Big East sports. Instead, this is about how much they will have to pay. If West Virginia wins the suit, they wouldn’t pay anything, but there is more to it than that.

Why this is brilliant for WVU

Filing this suit was a calculated decision on the part of WVU. Even without winning the suit they could benefit in two ways: (1) the suit is now initiated in West Virginia state courts forcing the Big East to litigate the matter there, and (2) the initiation of this suit might force the Big East to the negotiating table. I’ll unpack those two points further.

First, it is clear that WVU needs to leave the Big East at the end of this academic year. They likely promised the Big XII that they could or would join that conference at that time and have now made public representations as to that intent. Doing so, however, would breach their contractual relationship with the Big East under that conference’s bylaws, opening them up for a lawsuit by the conference.

The claims asserted in their suit are pretty standard counterclaims that would be asserted by a party charged with breach of contract. Asserting that they weren’t bound by the contract because the other party breached it first, along with other legal excuses.

By filing a suit against the Big East, however, WVU gets to choose the court in which it will be heard. This is especially true here because WVU is an “alter ego” of the State of West Virginia, which means that the case cannot be moved to a Federal Court (without getting too deep into federal jurisdictional law: you can’t sue a state in federal court unless the plaintiff alleges federal legal questions). The Big East now must assert its breach of contract claims against WVU in West Virginia’s state courts, and if it goes to trial, a jury comprised of the residents of Monongalia County, where WVU is located, will decide the facts of the case.

West Virginia also has elected judges in their trial courts. Imagine finding against the state university in a year when you were up for reelection.

The second point is a simpler one. The first instinct of any litigator when handed a case is to contemplate settlement. Depending on the type of case, those discussions might come sooner rather than later. Here, the Big East and WVU could be poised for a very lengthy (and therefore expensive) discovery process and motion practice before the legal issues are ever actually decided. The potential expense of that litigation would likely cause most attorneys to advise their client to explore options to settle — a move that would bring the Big East to the bargaining table where WVU can try to negotiate an early exit.

Why this could backfire

The Big East clearly wasn’t eager to lawyer up and file suit immediately upon hearing West Virginia’s intentions to leave without notice. The conference litigated in 2003 in response to the ACC inviting three Big East members and crippling the football conference, but the legal fees the league had to pay outweighed the proceeds of that suit.

West Virginia, by initiating the suit, forces the conference to obtain legal counsel to litigate these issues, but that in itself opens another can of worms.

First of all, there will without question be one or more counter-suits against West Virginia. Anticipatory breach of contract, breach of their implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing, breaching any non-disclosure agreements that might have existed and anything else they can cook up. It won’t stop with counterclaims against West Virginia though.

Lawyers are trained by grueling and unforgiving law school exams to spot issues, and there is one glaring issue that WVU’s suit raises: tortuous interference against the Big XII. If I am the Big East, I’d undoubtedly bring them into this suit now.

The ACC is free and clear of tortuous interference for the most part because the Big East bylaws contemplate the withdrawal of members to join other conferences by including the exit fee and notice requirements. The ACC, however, has not encouraged Pittsburgh or Syracuse to breach these provisions and has stated that they are happy to wait for both schools to give their contractual notice unless the Big East wishes to let them leave sooner.

The Big XII, however, is desperate for new blood. If Missouri leaves that conference as of next season, they will need an immediate replacement to continue their 9-game conference schedule. If they have only 9 members, it means that they will only be able to play 8 conference games, breaching their television contracts (which may cost them millions of dollars each), and causing them to scramble to add another game for each of the next two seasons in football — which could also be an expensive proposition. The Big XII needs West Virginia to join in 2012 to avoid risking that additional expense.

There is nobody following college sport today that doesn’t know about the Big East’s 27-month notice requirement. If you didn’t hear about it in 2003, you certainly heard about it in September, when Syracuse and Pittsburgh withdrew from the conference. If the Big XII didn’t learn of the notice provision through those media reports, then they should have learned of it while doing due diligence on West Virginia. Nonetheless, they invited the school with an entry date of July 2012 — asking WVU to breach their contractual relationship with the Big East — that is the definition of tortious interference, convincing a party to breach a contract with another.

In fact, if the Big East were feeling particularly ambitious, it may be possible to name each of the Big XII member institutions as defendants in that suit (depending upon how the conference is legally organized).

Its all fun and games until you have a chance encounter with the process server. WVU would certainly not be making fast friends in its new conference if it were to get them dragged into costly litigation.

Does WVU’s argument have any merit?

WVU’s complaint doesn’t have much meat to it. Parts of it require significant evidence to be proven and other claims seem entirely baseless.

The factual allegations are questionable as well. Paragraph 19 alleges that the Big East allows the non-football members to vote on football issues, but then contradicts itself by quoting a Big East bylaw provision that specifically denies the non-football members that right.

That error is not the only one in the document, which consistently uses the term “denigrate” inappropriately. It is clear that the drafter of the complaint intended to use the term “disintegrate” instead. The sloppy drafting of the complaint makes it clear that it was a rush job to file something as soon as possible.

Some of the claims contradict themselves as well. The claim that the conference breached a fiduciary duty by failing to be “proactive” in maintaining the level of competition presumably refers to delays in expanding the football side of the conference. That claim comes shortly after a paragraph about inviting TCU to join the conference and is followed by paragraphs claiming that the conference had a duty to maintain an 8-football to 8-non-football split in membership.

The main allegations are as follows:

  1. The Big East and its commissioner breached fiduciary duties that voided the contractual relationship with WVU by failing to make the football side of the conference stronger and by favoring the basketball schools.
  2. The Big East is no longer viable as a football conference and therefore the purpose of the agreement for WVU is frustrated.
  3. The Big East did not make TCU give 27-months notice and has therefore waived that provision of the bylaws.
  4. WVU enclosed an offer to pay an undisclosed sum of money to the Big East for early withdrawal with its initial withdrawal fee payment of $2.5million and the Big East accepted that offer by cashing the check.
  5. The 27-month notice provision is impracticable and unduly burdensome to perform and is an unreasonable restraint on trade.

The fifth allegation is actually an amalgam of allegations in counts II, IV and V of the Complaint. These are the most reasonable arguments made by the university. None of them, however, should excuse WVU completely for the breach of contract. However, the enforcement of the 27-month notice very well could be found impracticable, unduly burdensome and an unreasonable restraint on trade. In that case, WVU may be able to escape from giving that notice, but the court should still order them to pay damages, which would be determined by a jury at trial — which means there would not be much in the way of damages.

WVU’s problem, however, is that they voted to enact the 27-month notice provision. They were aware of the rule when they voted it in and it has been applied similarly to other full members who opted to withdraw.  If the Big East has any chance to enforce the provision, that factor is paramount to their argument.

They center much of their argument on the claim that the Big East breached the contract first by failing to carry out its fiduciary duties. Those fiduciary duties included the duty to promote the prestige and success of the conference, to take proactive measures to maintain the level of competition, and to maintain a balance of power between the football and non-football interest groups. WVU’s complaint is primarily concerned with the Big East’s duties to WVU.

The problem is that the Big East and its commissioner have a fiduciary duty to serve the interests of all 16 members and not just to West Virginia or to the football schools. This is the primary reason why most major conference decisions are voted on by the university presidents or athletic directors.

While the Big East may have had a duty to maintain certain balances of power, the balance of power was affirmatively shifted in favor of football schools like WVU when an invite was extended to TCU last year. That the balance shifted heavily to the non-football members recently when Syracuse and Pittsburgh withdrew, is not something within the control of the commissioner and was not an affirmative act of the conference.

West Virginia would have to prove that the current status of Big East football expansion is being so controlled by the non-football members that it is to the detriment of the conference. The proposed addition of basketball non-entities such as SMU as well as far-flung institutions such as Boise State, are hardly basketball decisions, however.

West Virginia argues that these breaches of fiduciary duties “presumably forced” the trio of Pitt, ‘Cuse and TCU to withdraw from the conference. “Forced” is a strong word, which makes it harder to prove. That allegation requires internal documents from each of those schools and knowledge of their internal debate over conference realignment. WVU would have to prove that Pittsburgh had no other option but to join the ACC – a preposterous claim.

The claim that the Big East is no longer viable as a football conference is also a specious claim. It was perfectly viable and still is for the time being, and certainly would be during the 27-month period that all three departing members would remain in the conference. Furthermore, the Big East’s impending invitations to new football member schools would also presumably help it to remain viable in that sport going forward.

At worst that claim is frivolous and at best it is not yet ripe for litigation until it is known whether the Big East will be able to expand on the football side.

That the Big East did not hold TCU to a 27-month notice is an interesting claim that would depend on the unique legal situation of TCU. Almost certainly there was a contract signed between the Big East conference and TCU wherein their contractual relationship with the conference was defined. The terms of that document would be informative regarding the basis for this claim.

However, it can be assumed that since TCU had no voting rights in the Big East at the time of their withdrawal that they were not legally a part of the conference or bound by the bylaws at that time, making their situation potentially distinguishable from that of the other three schools. The lack of 27-month notice for TCU would only potentially constitute a waiver if they were bound by the bylaws at the time.

Finally, WVU’s claim that the Big East accepted their offer of money-for-immediate-exit by cashing a check for one half of their withdrawal fee is completely baseless. Unless their payment was above and beyond the $5 million that was owed as a fee for withdrawal, it would not be sufficient consideration.

Why not? When it comes to consideration in contract law, almost anything will do. $1 is sufficient to sell fifty acres of property in New York City if the parties freely bargain for it. Where consideration can fail, however, is when that consideration is nothing more than what you were already obligated to do.

For example: If I offer to use my blinker whenever I make a left-hand turn on Constitution Avenue for the next two months in exchange for your Rolex, even if you agree to that deal, I cannot enforce it since I was legally obligated to use my blinker anyway.

Here, WVU was contractually obligated to pay the Big East $5million dollars when withdrawing from the conference. If they sent a check of $5million or less to the Big East with an offer to pay that amount in exchange for the 27-month notice to be waived, the Big East can cash that check, but no contract is formed. If the check was for $6 million, John Marinatto may have a problem, however.

Reports last week were that the payment tendered, was only $2.5 million.

That forum nonsense

The suit was filed in a state court in Monongalia County, West Virginia. The Big East will need to have its attorneys look into a way of moving the suit to another jurisdiction. If WVU were a private school like Villanova, the Big East could bring a suit into the federal court system by exercise of the “removal jurisdiction.” That is available where a case that can otherwise be heard in the federal courts is first filed in state court.

Two types of civil cases can normally be brought in the federal courts: (1) an action between two parties from different states (assuming the value of the case is high enough); or (2) any case involving a question of federal or constitutional law. The second portion, however, does not apply to counterclaims, only the initial pleading.

In this case, there is no federal legal question at hand, and though the parties are from different states (the Big East is incorporated in Washington D.C. and headquartered in Rhode Island), removal is unavailable under a loophole in federal jurisdiction. That loophole is the rule that a sovereign state is not subject to removal jurisdiction under diversity of citizenship. WVU is a state university and as such it is for legal purposes the State of West Virginia.

What that means, is that unless some very smart lawyers can find a way to get the case out of West Virginia, it will likely be held there. The only way for a federal judge to hear this case might be on appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court – which would be many years and millions of dollars in legal fees away.

At least…

Brace yourselves for some protracted and messy litigation. The potential bright side is that the discovery process in this case could put more than a few formerly confidential documents onto the public record. Minutes of Big East meetings, emails from school and conference officials, and contracts between various parties could all be on display.

Then again, maybe that is the reason why this suit is likely to settle.

  • Doccpd

    Do you believe this sh_t!!

  • Stevie V

    Y’all aint goin make to Aintree

  • Anonymous

    Gavitt, Rollie, Carnesecca, JTII would never have let this happen. Calhoun, and Boeheim should really do something, wish I knew what though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger
  • Anonymous

    Those who can, do. Those who can’t, sue

  • V for Victory

    what else do you expect from Ollie Luck? what a d-bag.

  • NovaFan92

    Well they must be leaning on their top notch law school for counsel on this one.  From http://www.top-law-schools.com/west-virginia-law.html

    Admissions and TuitionGetting into West Virginia requires numbers similar to those required by most Tier 3 law schools.
    Employment:
    For what it’s worth, WVU graduates often outperform the statewide bar passage rate in West Virginia—which is probably a good thing, since WVU is the only law school in the state. Most recently, 76% of WVU Law graduates passed the West Virginia state bar (79% state average). Employment prospects are largely regional, but those looking to practice in West Virginia or immediately surrounding areas should not have a huge problem finding work: In fact, 91.7% of the most recent graduating class was able to find work within 9 months of graduation.

    ConclusionAlthough WVU is hardly the best choice for someone interested in practicing in a major legal market  (in fact, most recently not a single firm from NY, DC or CA participated in WVU’s on-campus interview process), it is an excellent choice for those who wish to practice in WV and can take advantage of rock-bottom in-state tuition prices.

  • Rand137

    Just an obvious ploy to force the situation and a financial settlement. Big East should hold firm, get an injunction against WVU leaving and their proposed By-Laws violation, which I am sure a judge would grant. Fight them to the end or drag a huge sum out of them to leave early. ..glad to be rid of Ollie but Marinatto now has a chance to fight back hard and should do so!

  • Greatgoldengod

    Fucking classy!!1

  • G_Dizzle

    I wish Big East.org would take the schools the departing schools off of the homepage banner…

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    West Virginia is represented by Jackson Kelly PLLC and specifically was represented by Stephen M. LaCagnin, Esq. on the drafting and filing of this lawsuit. 

    LaCagnin earned his BA in Journalism from WVU in 1975 and his JD from WVU in 1983. He is a member of the bar in North Carolina and West Virginia. His practice areas are listed as: Coal, Deliberate Intent Litigation, Higher Education, Labor and Employment, Litigation and Product Liability.

    http://www.jacksonkelly.com/jk/index.asp?w=Attorneysbio&empl_uno=290

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Now updated (extensively) with legal analysis.

  • Jkelly3537

    Having been down this road in business, this basically standard and childishly styled lawsuit simply argues that, you know what, despite being a “world class” academic institution, we were just too stupid when we originally voted for all these things.

    The Big East needs to fight this aggressively and target everything in sight (Big 12, member institutions, etc.)
    They need to also go after issues related to “fiduciary responsibility” that can be layed on West Virginia’s lap
    when they voted recently in a manner detrimental to the conference. If they don’t do this, no agreement that presently exists can be supported and they are done.

    I was surprised that they apparently spelled fiduciary correctly in their suit.

  • NovaFlyer

    You might find this interesting, and very believable: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2011-10-27/is-espn-the-force-behind-college-conference-realignment/51019966/1

  • SeanDon

    So who is going to replace the three departing schools now?

  • GPraz

    Maybe Villanova has a lawsuit against WVU who blocked Nova joining in football (alleged) while they were planning on leaving??. This whole sorry episode long predicted by many including me has left me almost dis-interested in college sports in general. There is so much hypocracy it makes me ill. University Presidents going along with all this. Amazing. let’s call all of this for what it is. The Universities, their Presidents, athletic directors, and many coaches are running multi-million dollar corporations amazingly where the employees mostly responsible for the revenue has little or no say (players) and get “paid” inferior wages. Sick and it’s all eventually will go down like a Madoff ponzi scheme! 

  • Hardcore fan

    The New York post has Temple with the blessing of Louisville who also wants Memphis,
    Air Force, Boise State, and Navy for Football,  Central Florida, Houston and SMU in all sports.

    Villanova is getting a long session out by the woodshed! 

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    If you put your money on Houston, SMU and UCF joining soon, you can be pretty confident. If you bet on Boise State? You probably won’t go broke. If you bet on  Navy and Air Force, it’s a bit riskier, but probably still greater than 50/50.

    Memphis probably has the edge over Temple, but there should be a push to talk to BYU as well. My guess is that Marinatto will be authorized to negotiate with those schools today and at least one will be invited.

  • Stevie V

    Gpraz…cable TV and satellite TV has changed everything…..long gone are the days when we anticipated the network game of the week on a Saturday afternoon. America has an insatiable demand for college football (and to a lesser extent college B-ball) and the schools are entitled to the money. The question is, how does some of this windfall get to the players??….I have a suggestion….If a FBS football University offers a player a scholarship the player should have the option to graduate in seven- eight years….FREE OF CHARGE. We do not want to see player salaries however I am certainly in favor making sure all those that want an education can get one. It really is unrealistic for us to expect a big time program to graduate its players in 4 year….Instead of giving away fish …teach them how to fish

  • Robberbaron9

    Please Villanova, create the Cathloic League and no longer be under the mercy of these football schools…The Big East does not care about us! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    Did you ever think your legal expertise would come in handy to this extent?

    As for the TCU comparison, is it possible their contract had an effective (beginning) date?  In which case, I imagine most of the remedies in the contract (unless explicitly stated otherwise) would not be binding until then. 

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Villanova wants to be one of those football schools right now. Every school is at the mercy of ESPN, and as bad as the football school  whims may seem, ESPN will be far more merciful toward them than they will be toward the catholic league.

  • GPraz

    You are right but even in my line of work a handshake is a handshake.!!  I think your idea of the graduation free of charge over a x-number of years has been mentioned .I like that idea. I’m just so ticked off right now. I give a ton of money and have been a football season ticket holder in Basketball and football for over 25 years, the players of these schools get the shaft, players leave after “using” the university as a gateway to the pros, and now this crap. How about the others sports like cross country, soccer, etc. Everyone in this process in chasing down the almighty dollar forgot about the “employees’, the fans, the donors like me, and the ethical practices.  When it gets down to only 60 or so universities playing big time sports watch the ratings go down. I think someday soon this gravy train is going to dry up. 

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Honestly? Yes.

    Maybe not this specific case, but when I started writing here as a law student, I generally assumed I would end up writing about some of these sorts of issues.

    Re: TCU – That appears to be exactly what the Big East has been suggesting.

  • Rand137

    Based on the USA Today article why doesn’t the Big East drag ESPN into the lawsuit as well – tortuous interference with the entire league’s contracts? I know, you can’t bite the hand that feeds you…

  • Hardcore fan

    Too bad there would be no pain and suffering under your claim or we could all express how much this pain’s us.

    Losing Cuse pain’s me more than Pitt or WVA but to each his own.

  • Stevie V

    Brian …thanks for the legal perspective opinion and attention to detail is much appreciated.

    You are doing a heckuva job here Brownie…..LOL
    V

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LU4IFMXOEZGREIXDKN2Q3DBOG4 jpf

    A law school student’s opinion. Oh shit.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH harder to prove TI against ESPN.

  • Rand137

    As a follow up to my earlier semi-serious comment about dragging ESPN into the pending litigation, perhaps Fox or NBC or CBS would be interested in underwriting the cost, and the first person to be deposed should be Gene DiFilippo from BC relative to his published comment concerning ESPN telling the conferences what to do!Wow, what a thought! There must be a law firm out there willing to take that case. Tortious interference claim, discovery requests and depositions – a lot of nervous people out there.

  • Wbgv1974

    stay in the pee wee laegue nova. you arent worthy of eating at the big boy table

  • Brad

     Out smarted by a group of hillbillies. Imagine that, hahahahahaha

  • Pca315

    Thanks for the legal perspective.
    Why was Notre Dame allowed to come into the Big East as a basketball only school?  Are there any other BCS conferences where all the members don’t play basketball and football?
    I don’t blame BC, VT and Miami for going to the ACC when they had the chance.  And they didn’t wait 27 months .  Now Pitt and Cuse are going to the ACC and TCU to the Big 12.  Why would anyone expect WVU or any of the other football schools wait and go down with the Big East as it loses it’s AQ status the next time it comes up?  WVU saved Big East football after the first three schools bolted to the ACC by winning to BCS bowls against the SEC and the Big 12.  They have a fan base that is passionate about football, gets 60,000+ for every home game and travels well to every away and bowl game.  They don’t fit into Big East football.  Now they are expected to hang around while UConn, Ville, Rutgers and USF look for new conferences.  Meanwhile, Notre Dame is put in charge of football expansion for the Big East while they are flirting with every other BCS conference.  Screw that.  This Big East has been mismanaged from the start.  That’s why this is happening.  The football schools were a nice investment for the basketball schools while it lasted.  Too bad.  UConn, Cuse, WVU and Pitt played some pretty good basketball too.  This will be the last year of Big East basketball dominance too.  Wave bye bye to the big time recruts.  

  • Rocket Screen

    In every other BCS AQ conference, members are “all in”, or not in.  Only the Big East has insisted on the hybrid model to placate the non-football schools.  It’s a model which carries within it the seeds of it’s own destruction.

    Why the Big East thought they were smarter than the SEC, PAC-12, Big 12, Big 10 and ACC is beyond me.

  • Vu1965

    I believe that a very high ranking woman vp at ESPN is a Nova grad….time to call in the chits

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I’m a member of the New York and New Jersey bar and I deal with a lot of these issues at work every day. Thanks for caring.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    “Why was Notre Dame allowed to come into the Big East as a basketball only school?  Are there any other BCS conferences where all the members don’t play basketball and football?”

    (1) Because the Big East allows non-football members, the ND brand adds value and because there is value in keeping ND football out of other conferences. (2) No. Not unless Notre Dame joins the Big 12 in everything but football.

    “I don’t blame BC, VT and Miami for going to the ACC when they had the chance.  And they didn’t wait 27 months ”

    Because the 27 month provision was enacted after those schools left the conference.

    “Why would anyone expect WVU or any of the other football schools wait and go down with the Big East as it loses it’s AQ status the next time it comes up?”

    With Boise State, Houston and UCF, the Big East now has schools that have done better in the BCS standings recently than WVU, Pitt and Cuse. Currently only WVU is ranked among the Big East schools  - at 24th. Boise is ranked 5th and Houston is 13th. 

    Last season Boise finished 10th, UCF was 24th, and WVU was 22nd. In 2009, Cincy was in the top-3 in the BCS standings, Boise was 6th…

    Do I need to go on? The Big East is not only adding quality football teams, but it is ensuring that CUSA/MWC can’t surpass them. The BCS AQ seems pretty safe going into the next contract.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    It is because of the way the Big East was formed. Football schools in the northeast were independents far longer than most parts of the rest of the country.

  • Jwmay10

    for all the condescension re: wvu’s academics…..note that it has something like 25 rhodes scholars…..how many does VU have?…..thought so…..i am a west virginian but attended and graduated from xavier of ohio…..from my perspective….1-the jesuit educational experience is way overrated…..2-the wvu educational exprience is way under-rated…..i offer no. 2 admittedly from a more removed view, but have had several family members attend there and have been on the periphery of wvu since i was a kid decades…..the test scores people site re: wvu are largely due to the fact the university’s charge is ti give many high school graduates in the state a chance at admission…..that results in a significant dropout rate that doesn’t play well in the us news figures, which seem to be the bible on rating schools…..at the upper level wvu students would fare well against jesuit university students…even those from the caltech of the east…..villanova…..

  • Captain Marvy

    Oliver Luck is a hypocritical scumbag who has dragged his alma mater through the mud and spent the past year actively working to undermine a conference that took in his school at a time of desperate need. His constant public statements about conference realignment created the so-called unstable atmosphere they are complaining about and trying to get away from.

    Chuck Neinas and the Big 12 are also ridiculous. Teams in most conferences are normally required to give at least 14 months of notice before moving to another conference, so Texas A&M should have had to inform the Big 12 before June 30, 2011, that it wanted to move to the SEC starting on July 1, 2012. They did not do so until September 2011 and should have to stay.

    With that mistake under their belts, they then let Missouri drag its process of leaving out over the course of more than 2 months. The Big 12 should have simply put its foot down and said Missouri can’t leave for the SEC until July 1, 2013, no matter what. How can a school be allowed to depart a conference in November to begin playing in a new league the next September?

    This entire process has been disgusting. Once the Big East has replacement schools all lined up, I would understand West Virginia, Syracuse, and Pitt trying to amicably negotiate their 27 months down to 22 months and a higher exit fee, in order to leave on July 1, 2013, but going Scorched Earth is reprehensible. Hire the best possible lawyers and duke this thing out.

  • GoHokies

    I appreciated the article Brian…thanks.  We’ll let the troll’s opinion speak for himself

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LU4IFMXOEZGREIXDKN2Q3DBOG4 jpf

    The big least is run by idiots. No school of any quality is joining because of that. The ACC will step in and take UCONN and MSG will become theirs once the big least’s contract expires. And Marvy, you’re just jealous.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LU4IFMXOEZGREIXDKN2Q3DBOG4 jpf

     They got outsmarted several times.

  • Guest

    Jesuit University?  um…not Villanova.   It’s an Augustinian University.   
    But thanks for the uninformed opinion from another ignorant West Virginia native.   The in-breeding has got to stop.  

  • Jtchristy

    You haven’t been noticing that Cincinnati has been ranked the last two weeks?  And in one poll higher than WVU?

  • wvufanlaughingatnova

    Probably the biggest plus out of WVU leaving the BE is getting away from the assholes from the NE.  I especially like greatgoldenrod who chooses to point out how classless WVU is by using the f word.  Enjoy purgatory Villanova fans while WVU moves up and away.  

  • Anonymous

    Brian, Great Job!! You should go over to the ESPNs blogs on this issue and straighten those dummies out.  They don’t understand the legally binding concepts of this situation AT ALL.

    Quick question:  Your final thoughts are that you think that this will settle. When? Do you think a change of venue will go through?  What about precedence setting (if it stays and is ruled on by a WV jury) for vacating legally binding contracts?? Yikes!  That would be ugly I would think.

    What’s your gut feeling on how this will shake out?  27 months or not?  Shorter period?  (They signed off on it Brian!!).

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    That claim is a hail-mary. I don’t think I’d pursue it, to be honest.
     

  • Stevie V

    1-800 DENTIST

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Was that directed at me? I think Cincy has done a fine job in football. WVU has been a quality program, but not a BCS top-10 in most recent years. Cincy has done that more recently and Boise has done it consistently for a while.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Come on, he whiffed on the Jesuit thing, but he wasn’t insulting. No need to fling one back.

    Why are we even talking about this?

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    The lawsuit approach was a little much, but other than that, WVU has for all intents and purposes, seemed to handle this in a very appropriate fashion. They didn’t blindside the conference and make the move under cover of darkness and the Big East had the knowledge of their talks far enough in advance to inform expansion candidates to avoid a panic on their part.

    What is classless is the way that fans on both sides are flinging insults here on VUhoops.com

  • wvufanlaughingatnova

    stevie V – Thank you for assisting me in my point but come on, how about a little creativity to got with being a complete jerk. If you’re hell bent on proving you are an asshole, at least come up with something original. I have dealt with people like you from the NE my whole life  (Lived in So. Jersey for 2.5 yrs. That is why I am assured of going to heaven. I’ve spent my time in hell) and you and greatgoldenrod appear to fit the stereotype I have come to know and be entertained by.  In fact, the one good thing about people from your part of the country is that if you expect them to be complete assholes you will be right 90% of the time.  

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Gut feeling is clear: I don’t think WVU has the option to tell the Big XII that they will not start next season. I think they will leave at that time.

    The Big East will then have to prove financial damages — which will be vastly higher if they do not have a replacement that can join in 2012. I don’t see a scenario where the Big East gets specific performance (meaning, the Big East probably can’t force WVU to stay for 27 months even if the provision is valid).

    WVU is gone, they’ll likely pay some damages that will be determined by the WVa court.

    (and they didn’t just sign off on it, the bylaw itself was written by the former president of WVU!)

  • Captain Marvy

    The Big East is going to come out of this with a deeper football league, bigger basketball conference, and larger TV contract. The best part will be going to NBC or FOX and finally getting away from the sneaky lying cutthroat haters at ESPN. The only way the ACC is going to come anywhere near MSG is when they are getting their butts kicked on the court by Big East teams.

  • Captain Marvy

    The Big East is going to come out of this with a deeper football league, bigger basketball conference, and larger TV contract. The best part will be going to NBC or FOX and finally getting away from the sneaky lying cutthroat haters at ESPN. The only way the ACC is going to come anywhere near MSG is when they are getting their butts kicked on the court by Big East teams.

  • AS

    Regarding the choice of forum: I understand that WVU is claiming that as a state school, they are an alterego of the State of West Virginia, and therefore the case can’t be moved to federal court. But then can’t UConn, Rutgers, USF, Louisville, and Cinci claim that as state schools they are alteregos of their states. That would make this a case between states. What happens then?

  • Ailurophile

    Brian,

    Could the conference ask a judge to issue a restraining order against WVU from joining the Big12 while the litigation pends?

  • Pca315

    Louisville may be following WVU to the Big 12.  Senator McConnell tried his best to get the Big 12 to take Louisville instead of WVU.  UConn’s administrators have openly campaigned for a spot in the ACC. Rutgers thought they were the next B1G school and they had their bags packed.  Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC.  TCU to the Big 12.  Eight years ago, VT, Miami and BC defected. 
    Can’t you see what’s happening?  Schools that play big time football don’t want to be in the Big East.  They can’t be forced to stay there any more.  The old eastern independents should have had an all sports conference started before the Big East ever existed.  Unfortunately, that didn’t happen.   

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Good question: The suit would have to be Rutgers vs. WVU or UConn vs. WVU for that to work, however. It is maybe possible that the Big East could move to bring all members in as parties to the suit, but the basis for that would have to be something I haven’t thought of yet. If it were a case between states though, I believe that a Federal court can hear the case.

    Since the suit is WVU vs. a corporate entity, however, the fact that the state schools are a part of that is of little consequence. The Big East Conference is not an alter-ego for the state and it is of no consequence that there are state schools participating in the Big East.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Boise plays pretty big time football, lets see what whey do….

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