Monday Meeting: Money Talks

Posted by Brian Ewart on October 9, 2011 · Under Big East, Football · 40 Comments 

According to New York Times college sports reporter Pete Thamel, the Big East presidents and athletic directors will have another conference call tomorrow. It is expected that the schools will continue to discuss the prospect of raising their exit fee into the “$10 million range.” No invitations are expected to be issued for new members at that time.

Navy will be among the top targets of the conference whenever they do get around to voting on invitations. According to a source close to the Villanova administration, however, neither Navy, nor Villanova is willing to commit to Big East football unless a vote to enact a “substantial penalty” in the event that remaining members would leave the conference.

That source also said that Villanova believes that the penalty would ultimately be worked out. Obviously, Monday’s conference call, which includes the top athletic and academic officials at member institutions will be an important step in resolving that issue. It is possible, however that not all conference members will participate in the call, especially if they are seriously discussing a move with another conference.

From our sources, it sounds like Villanova could be back in the Big East football picture to join the service academies in the conference once these exit penalties are worked out.

If they are not able to agree on new penalties, however, our source noted, “If this fails, I believe [Big East football] is done.”

  • GPraz

    lets home two things THAT I don’t re-directed to a porn site wheni type VUHoops.com and They raise the fee to over 10 million making the decision for teams to join less risky. From there Nova should move up.Once again even if it turns out to be the worng move down the road as long as the “average losses” over time are 4 million or less per year we are ok because we lose that now!!!

  • Nervous Nelly

    This is the first even slightly encouraging report I have seen in what seems forever concerning the Big East.

  • Guglio

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  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Everyone needs to clear their browser cache and it should stop.

  • Bill ’62

    All of you at VU Hoops do a great job of keeping us informed and entertained, and we wish you the best in clearing up the technical problems we’re encountering lately.  It’s a shame we have to put up with alpha hotels out there who get their kicks out of affecting the internet, especially when they’re interfering with such positive sites as VU Hoops.  Relatively speaking, I guess we’re easy targets of hackers if there are idiots out there who are able to hack into the software of Defense Department and CIA unmanned drones remotely piloted from Nevada to attack targets halfway around the world.  It sounds like you’re getting things under control, and we all truly appreciate the extra effort these jerks are causing you to expend.  Thanks for all you do.

  • login77

    wow that’s breaking news. Villanova football is a joke, basketball can’t come soon enough.

  • G_Dizzle

    Interesting note on the Boise Rumor, however the NJ.com writer brings up a good point as to the only reason they would be an attractive candidate:

    “The next BCS conference evaluation — for automatic BCS bowl bids for the 2014-17 regular seasons — will be based on a league’s performance from 2010 through 2013 and is calculated on the conference membership as of Dec. 4 of this year.
    The addition of Boise would help the Big East during that next evaluation, since the Broncos’ successful 2010 and 2011 seasons would then be counted for the Big East.”http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/big_easts_newest_expansion_tar.html

  • Doctorfeelgoodes

    i agree nelly. i was so angry watching others be proactive. maybe both vu & the conference knew all along that they had little power to do much of anything. now that things have shook down, the picture seems to be a bit clearer for vu & the league. maybe i just want to be optimistic about something at this point. we should be talking hoops not this garbage!! 

  • good guy

    If Boise State is interested in joining the Big East Conference shoul offer full membership immediately.

  • Prospect

    Login77, Villanova football is NOT a joke. The last two years, they’ve had the best team in 1AA, even if they didn’ tofficially win the title last year.  They even finished number 40 in the final2009 1A poll.  They have several players in the NFL.  This year is an aberation.  And if you ever took the time to study the history of VU football,  they have an all time winning record and several bowl appearances and wins against programs such as Alabama and TexasA&M and Penn State.

  • LM 92

    If we get Boise St, Navy, Air Force and Army for football only, Temple for all sports and Nova moves up for football, we have the potential to be both a stronger football, AND stronger basketball conference than the ACC. How F….ing sweet would that be?
    Having the 3 service academies could be quite the coup…..in this day and age, having all that National Pride all in the Big East Conference would be tremendous!!!!
    Do it and Do it now. 
    By brining Boise State’s commitment first, all the other schools (Navy, Nova, etc) concerns about the conference’s viability would dissapaer.
    Do it and Do it now!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    “What have you done for me lately?” The echoing throngs of Villanova fans who don’t want to accept that this is a rebuilding year in football. 

    Andy Talley won the Yankee Conference in the program’s second season of full Division I-AA membership. They have five conference championships and since and have made the playoffs 5 times in the past 6 years (if you include this season it will be 5 times in 7 years). They won the 2009 championship and have appeared in the semi-finals (football final four) on multiple occasions. 

    As an FCS (I-AA) program, Villanova has a winning percentage of .634, which is about where the basketball team’s all-time winning percentage is. Talley is the winningest coach in the toughest subdivision conference…

    I can go on. Villanova football isn’t a joke. Anyone who makes that claim, hasn’t really been paying attention.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I don’t think that’s even an option for Boise. Geographically, they’d be willing to travel those distances one team on 4 occasions per year (in a sport traditionally played on weekends). It becomes a but more of a problem to do that with 17 programs every day from M-F.

    If the Bylaw Blog is correct, the Big East needs to add at least two FBS-playing schools as full members in addition to the academies/Boise in order to qualify as an FBS conference under NCAA rules. There is a two-year grace period, however.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    $10 million is not enough when you have several state schools left with likely deep pockets.  They should at least match the ACC’s $20 million

  • LM 92

    Agreed on the $20 mil

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    “In any event, with only 6 remaining FBS football members, the Big East will need to add at least two football schools as full members within two years of Syracuse and Pittsburgh departing in order to comply with NCAA rules. An FBS conference, under NCAA bylaws, must have 8 full FBS members that play in the conference in at least 6 men’s and 8 women’s sports. Villanova football only factors into that equation because of the two year grace period (which would give the ‘Cats enough time to transition quickly) and the 27 months notice that Syracuse and Pitt are being held to (meaning Nova technically would have up to 4 years to transition).”

    http://www.vuhoops.com/2011/10/09/expansion-apocalypse-bi-polar-big-east/

  • 4th and Long

    Villanova hasn’t played PSU since 1951 when Rosey Grier was a freshman and JoePa was a 24yr old asst coach.  They only played Alabama in 1951 and last played Texas A&M in 1956. 
    It’s comments like yours that have people laughing at Villanova.  You sound clueless to anything relating to College football.  The only national FBS poll rankings that are relevant are Top 25 Rankings so stop the goofy talk.  Getting a two charity votes from writers after winning an 2009 FCS Championship is not a ranking anymore than App State getting 5 votes after their win over Michigan in 2007. 
    AND Sangarin is a computer program that does not and never has been recogized as way to compare FCS with FBS schools even though desperate individuals here continue to spout that similar nonsense.   

    There are current Division III schools as well as numerous defunct institutions or ones that dropped Football that have previously beaten schools like Penn State and other top 25 BCS programs if you go back in history far enough.  
    How’s that Carlisle Indian School doing nowadays without Jim Thorpe?   Villanova was outscored 141-0 in 7 losses vs Carlisle including the 65-0 shellacking by Thorpe and teammates in 1912.   Didn’t Franklin&Marshall and Dickinson both crush Villanova by a combined 80-0 in 1897?   How about that 71-0 loss to Lehigh in 1903? 

    The history of Villanova football is one of a school that was forced to barnstorm around the country as a bunch of wandering gypsies during many seasons in which they were forced to play more road games than home games and to this very day has inferior football facilities to the majority of CAA teams they play against in their own FCS League. 

  • Burke99

    There are multiple BE Football schools that have no intention of supporting increases of one penny more in exit fees in the near future so getting this “new” penalty thru won’t be very easy.  

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I anticipate that it will pass. Remember, Boston College agreed to the current penalties before exiting the conference.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VZS6DYRHX2HMIAGV4FCPQ4JDME Anthony

    A bigger exit fee might be considered a good hedge for schools with other options. Uconn, wvu, Cincinnati and Louisville might be willing to spend 10 million to try to keep other schools in.
    If uconn does not get into the acc, they will want to preserve the big east. If they get into the acc, a ten million dollar buyout is not a deal breaker. 20 million might be a deal breaker. I can see where the other be football schools would be willing to make a bit painful, but not impractical to leave the conference.

  • GPraz

    Alright Brian   you sound like me!!

  • GPraz

    There happens to be three football polls that rank ALL Division one teams. The CAA teams have 12 wins or losses by less that 7 point ALL on the road against FBS programs tha past 6 years. There have been several wins by FCS teams virtually every year against FBS teams. This produces rankings that are quite accurate. Ask Virginia Tech, Temple (Bowl year), Minnesota, and Michigan about all that. CAA teams including Nova have proven on the field that they can beat the lower FBS teams and these games are all early in season and on the road. Neutral site or home you can bet more wins.  FBS teams are expected to beat FCS teams at home for the depth issue. 4th quarters are disasters and should be.
    Regardless as a 25 year season ticket holder with friends who attended games with me in 2009 who are Penn State fans I would have not had any fear playing Florida State, Notre Dame, or and Big East team. Our o-line by the way was bigger than Penn State!!  So beleive what you want. I was there. And Matt Szczur could have been one of or the best player on any of these teams I just mentioned. Look up the score of Delaware vs Navy, and then Navy vs Notre Dame,  then Villanova vs Delaware and tell me I should be changing my diaper over playing Notre Dame or Penn Sate in 2009 at a neutral site???  

  • Kish19043

    Several players in the pros?    Kutztown and West Chester probably have more players drafted.   

    Trivia:   Do you kow the last Nova player drafted before  Brian Westbrook was drafted? 

    Answer:  Howie Long  

    Nova probably went 20 years without having a Nova player drafted. 

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    All-time West Chester has 9 players who were drafted by the NFL, most recently in 1972.

    All-time Villanova has 75 players who were drafted by the NFL, most recently in 2011.

    Nova CANCELLED FOOTBALL in 1980 when Howie graduated. Of course they went 20 years without a player drafted. When they re-started the program they were at a recruiting disadvantage and had to build back up to the point where they could get guys like Westbrook.

    Stop trolling.

    Villanova has had two players receive the Walter Payton Award for best player in FCS football. You know how many FCS schools have done that? Two. Villanova and Georgia Southern (if you want to count Armanti Edwards getting it twice, then you can add App State too). If you know anything about FCS footbal, you’d know that is pretty elite company.

  • Spot ck

    Brian,
    There is a reason that “What have you done for me lately” rules in sports at all levels in all
    sports.
    That’s the way it is, fair or unfair.

    People shouldn’t be dismissive of Andy’s career accomplishments,nor should you be dismissive
    of “What have you done for me lately”.

    Two years removed from a National Championship and you refer to this as a “rebuilding year”?

    It’s something, but a “rebuilding year” is a distortion of what teams go through when they are
    rebuilding.

    Brian, remember, we are two years removed from a final 4 and it’s “What have you done for
    me lately time”and Jay knows it.

    Fair or unfair!  Philly is loaded with “What have…, the answers will be interesting to say the least!

  • GPraz

    latb time Nova played West Chester thay stopped the game at halftime!! Nova was winning something like 55-0!!
    West Chester and Kutztown don’t even have a player RIGHT now that could make the Nova roster. As Brian explained even with the cancelling of football and the ten years to start and rebuild Nova ranks in the top 120 all time football players drafted by NFL. Since ur trolling there are 247 college D-1 programs. Not bad for a school that “sucks” in football!! Actually Nova does have several players in the pros RIGHT NOW. Not going to tell you. Do your own research!

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

     Except that this team made the semifinals last season and almost went back to the title game. It’s a very different story from Jay Wright having two consecutive collapses and early playoff exits.

    In fact, if Nova had a full week of practice before EWU (they didn’t really practice that week because of exams), they’d have had a better chance of making it to Frisco to face UDel again.

    As for rebuilding: I dare everyone here to actually watch a Villanova football game this season and tell me that the freshmen aren’t talented. Dillon Lucas is all over the field making plays, Joe Sarnese is going to be great at safety. Monangai is basically starting at RB, and the coaches are going out of their way to get the ball into Jamal Abdur-Rahman’s hands…

    Injuries and graduation robbed Villanova of a lot of “experience,” but there is still plenty of talent.

  • Kish19043

    Check your facts.    

       West Chester’s last draft pick was NOT in 1972.  I can think of about three just off the top of my head.  Lee Woodall was a linebacker who was drafted by the 49ers.  .  Ralph Tamm also played for the 49ers.  WC also had a  TE out of Bensalem HS who was drafted.    The same with Kutztown.  They had Andre Reed and John Mobley.    

       

  • Kish19043

    Nice try.  The PSAC Div 2 has more PRO Bowl players in the NFL than Nova has drafted players.   Not going to tell you who either. 

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

     Kish: Good luck with your studies at Temple University. Please send us pictures of Fran Dunphy without his mustache if you spot him on campus.

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  • Vu1965

    remember when we played Army and Navy?

  • Kish19043

    Good comeback Brian.  Is that your way of admitting that your facts are wrong? 

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Kish: Villanova has had more players drafted than West Chester. That’s a fact.

    Please stop trolling on this site. You have had more than one comment here deleted by MIKE for being racially incendiary. Your purposes in posting nothing but hate-filled negative comments here are more than questionable.

    We allow a LOT of freedom to speak your mind here, don’t abuse it.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    No, but thanks to the wonders of the internet, I can refresh your memory!

    http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675065082_football-match_Michie-Stadium_crowd-cheers_Villanova-team-wins

  • 4thandLong

    You are obviously not playing anyone so leave your diaper full.  You’ve never wore a football helmet in your life.  Your fabricated statements aside, Penn State has back-up lineman that could start at most every FCS school in the country.  Having Ben I. on the team barely put Villanova’s offensive line in a conversation with Penn State for talent or and there was no comparison whatsoever in depth.   

    Having talented CAA teams upset BCS teams is no difference than the whipping that Monmouth gave Villanova a few weeks ago with 27 less football scholarships (63 to 36) as an NEC team.  And the 4th quarter was 10-2 in favor of Monmouth’s thinner roster.
    Despite your insane attempt to compare transitive scores, if you can’t comprehend the difference between a FCS team playing a full BCS schedule vs playing a single game, your level of ignorance is beyond infinite.   Villanova had an outstanding FCS team the last few seasons but that is exactly what it was, a strong FCS team that competed very well at that level.  

  • Anonymous

    i tried to stay away but i couldnt after this thread. you can NOT compare game vs. game and access each team for who they beat and then who that team beat. for instance. providence beat villanova in basketball last season therefore would beat west virginia and marquette (75-70 nova over the golden eagles and 66-50 over the ‘eers). the friars got stomped on by 30 to west virginia and lost to marquette by 24 one time and 21 in the BET. this argument makes no sense and no way can you compare team to team by who they played. also, you guys have one of the most respected basketball teams in the country over the past years, you dont need football to be good. the price is wright for basketball and the price is wrong for football. 4th and Long needs start his own blog too or come join mine, dude can argue. talk to y’all february 7 when the friars travel to “dream” land philly

  • Anonymous

    i tried to stay away but i couldnt after this thread. you can NOT compare game vs. game and access each team for who they beat and then who that team beat. for instance. providence beat villanova in basketball last season therefore would beat west virginia and marquette (75-70 nova over the golden eagles and 66-50 over the ‘eers). the friars got stomped on by 30 to west virginia and lost to marquette by 24 one time and 21 in the BET. this argument makes no sense and no way can you compare team to team by who they played. also, you guys have one of the most respected basketball teams in the country over the past years, you dont need football to be good. the price is wright for basketball and the price is wrong for football. 4th and Long needs start his own blog too or come join mine, dude can argue. talk to y’all february 7 when the friars travel to “dream” land philly

  • Anonymous

    i tried to stay away but i couldnt after this thread. you can NOT compare game vs. game and access each team for who they beat and then who that team beat. for instance. providence beat villanova in basketball last season therefore would beat west virginia and marquette (75-70 nova over the golden eagles and 66-50 over the ‘eers). the friars got stomped on by 30 to west virginia and lost to marquette by 24 one time and 21 in the BET. this argument makes no sense and no way can you compare team to team by who they played. also, you guys have one of the most respected basketball teams in the country over the past years, you dont need football to be good. the price is wright for basketball and the price is wrong for football. 4th and Long needs start his own blog too or come join mine, dude can argue. talk to y’all february 7 when the friars travel to “dream” land philly

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