Goodman De-Commits

Posted by Brian Ewart on August 27, 2011 · Under Recruiting · 163 Comments 

Savon Goodman, who had previously given his verbal commitment to play for Villanova, has recently re-opened his recruitment and will listen to offers from other schools. The talented 2012 Small Forward has not ruled out playing at Villanova, but his success and work on this summer’s circuit has brought him a lot more attention than he had previously been receiving.

According to MaxPreps’ Chris Stonebraker, “He decommitted from Villanova.  He’s making himself available to be recruited by other schools.”

Goodman was in Southern California for the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Hoops Classic, a showcase game that was being held in Venice. He was joined out there by fellow Villanova recruiting target, Amile Jefferson.

Prior to his commitment, Goodman reportedly had offers from Duke and Kentucky in addition to Villanova. He was high on Kentucky before giving his verbal to Villanova, and he may be considering UK once again. Scout.com also lists offers from Maryland and Penn State, both of whom have new head coaches and perhaps new recruiting priorities, since Goodman committed. It is not clear which schools Goodman is now considering.

According to Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Goodman is also transferring to Constitution High School in Philadelphia from Academy New Church. He has not contacted his former coach at ANC, Kevin Givens, who could not confirm any information about Goodman to reporters, but did say that he had fielded calls from Wake Forest and Virginia Tech and has tried to contact Villanova.

It also seems that the rumors that Goodman would re-classify to the class of 2013 have resurfaced today, despite his denial a few weeks ago. The speculation behind that and this transfer have revolved around questions of his academic standing.

“The reason is exactly what people have said, because of the academic approach that we have.” Givens told the Inquirer. “That’s a priority for us, so there may be something to that.”

Update: Dave Telep lists the following schools and “maybe more,” as likely landing spots for Goodman: Kentucky, Villanova, Kansas, St. Johns, Louisville, Texas, UCLA, and Arizona.

This report comes to us from reader Len Velez, who spoke to Stonebraker yesterday in Venice, California.

Amile Jefferson speaks from Venice

According to Zagsblog.com, Villanova is still in the mix for 2012 forward Amile Jefferson:

“[Villanova] is definitely a school that factors into my thoughts, being a hometown school,” Jefferson said by phone from the Boost Mobile game. “Being able to recruit guys out of Philly has been great, so it’s been really good so far.”

“I’m still pretty wide open,” Jefferson said. “We’re still looking to see who else we’re going to visit before we make a decision.”

That said, I don’t think Jefferson has said anything negative about any of the schools he has been asked about. His comments above, though different, have the same tone as what he said earlier in the summer about West Virginia.

  • Rob

    Wow, this really sucks

  • http://twitter.com/stevefxs3 Steve Slade

    And the hits keep coming….

  • Colt

    Hate to be totally cynical with college sports, but do you think there is ca$h involved???

  • Barney Rubble

    UPPERCUT…UPPERCUT….UPPERCUT….KNOCK DOWN !   1…2…..3….4….5…6….7….

    Brutal news on so many levels.
    I was just thinking the other day how I see all these kids decommit elsewhere and Villanova hasn’t really been caught up in that kind of thing over the years despite Jay’s track record of getting kids to verbal early. 

    This has Kyle Anderson and his psycho Dad written all over it.   Any father that has to come in to VU Hoops to comment about why his son deserves to be a primary Point Guard in college has some issues.  The minute Goodman transferred his AAU allegience over to NJ PLAYAZ,  I was worried about the whispering in his ear but I assumed Savon was solid enough that he would stand strong and sell the Villanova message.    

    Losing Goodman isn’t going to make or break the program but he was by all indications a good kid with a tremendous amount of physical talent to rebound strong and make exciting finshes above the rim. 
    With all the greaseball coaches in the Big East like Calhoun, Lavin, Pitino, it was nice to have Jay taking the high road in getting a talented group of local kids to buy into the program. 

    Goodman just went from a kid SELLING the program to other players to a kid that is now back on the market and full of doubt towards Villanova…..I don’t like it…and I don’t like our chances of getting him back once the slimeballs start wiping their hands on him.
    THIS IS BULL$#!%.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Colt, I don’t know anything regarding Villanova’s recruits, but that sort of stuff definitely happens, and I have heard that at least one high-profile 2012 recruit at another Big East school was paid by a booster recently.

  • bob801

    Cash?  Women? Car?  Apartment?  Nah.  That is just the media trying to make noise.  There is nothing like that in college sports.  (extreme sarcasm)

  • Ed’77

    I smell Calapari’s stink!

  • Hardcore fan

    Villanova fans would show him alot of love.  Sorry to see him have doubts about the program.  JVP’s redshirt year probably has alot to do with this decision.  or JW’s flash mob dance routine.

    What schools does Amile have on his list again?

  • Jimdribble

    You are talking William Wesley being involved in some way now. He has been sniffing around….As you know Wes has never sent anyone to Nova he goes with the cash…

  • Brosser32

    Amile Jefferson???

  • Barney Rubble

    It should be noted that Savon was in NYC recently for the 1st Annual Franchise showcase where he played on TEAM NYC.  The dirtballs of the industry surround disorganized events like that so any illicit contact he had with them for entertainment purposes may have weighed in this decision that seems to be out of nowhere.   

    Who verbals to school for almost a year (early december was his anouncement but he was reported to have decided many weeks before that) and then just throws himself on the market as senior year is about to start.??   He has Anderson & his Dad on one side bragging about all their trips around the country and then sees Jefferson lining up his College Visits for this Fall.    

    Savon has some explaining to do because no one twisted his arm to put on that Baseball Cap for the “University of Villanova”.  
    And ESPN label during the Dunk Contest has him leaving Academy of New Church and transfering to Constitution High in Philly.

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6901178 

  • Pyscho-Dad

    Hey Barney Rubble…sorry you feel that way about me and my son. Good luck VU.

  • Anonymous

    Cooley is going to swipe in and get him. Savon would be crazy to turn down playing with arguably the #1 PG and #1 SG.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Amile has: Villanova, NC State, Ohio State, St. Johns, Alabama, Wake Forest, Pitt, Maryland, and Temple, among others.

    He has visited (unofficially?) Villanova, Temple, NC State, and is planning visits to Pitt, Maryland, Wake Forest and Ohio State.

  • FruitLoops

    Friartownmayor, go crawl back in your hole.  You school had their 15 seconds of fame.  Coach Cooley is a nice guy and great coach, but I feel bad that his school is filled with people like you.

  • http://vuhoops.com MIKE

    A Huge thanks to Len on this tip.

  • Anonymous

    if you had any sense you would know I was joking and that he would never take another SG after Ledo is coming now. Nerlens Noel is next for us, I’ll be back when he verbals. That 15 seconds is going to extend starting next year and every year Cooley is at the helm. No need to be bitter because the power shift in the big east is in the works.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Honey Badger is well known for cutting off his nose to spite his face, but he now strongly believes the talented Mr. Goodman should take his services elsewhere based on the complete lack of character displayed by this behavior.

    Honey Badger is a proud Villanovan who does not take kindly to the slighting of his alma mater by anyone, least of all some disloyal, selfish, and immature RECRUIT looking for perceived greener grass. Honey Badger insists Jay Wright not pout over this treachery nor grovel for Mr. Goodman’s return as he feels his school and its basketball coach and program are far too classy and worthy of respect to react in such a demeaning manner.

    Mr. Goodman, Honey Badger bids you ‘Good’ day!

  • RFC DA BOSS

    WHO CARES THE GUY CANT SHOOT, WE NEED SHOOTERS ….GIVE ME MYLES DAVIS OVER HIM…..WE WANT PLAYERS THAT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AT NOVA NOT IN THE NBA….POTENTIAL BULLSHIT……MYLES WILL COMMIT IN A SECOND….HE’S ALLAN RAY 2……I RATHER HAVE ARAY OVER PAUL HARRIS PART 2

  • Sandy

    East coast players are over hyped to begin with. I would much rather have Dough West working with Hilliard for 4 years than catering to an over-rated player who can’t shoot.

  • Rob

    I just think it’s bad that you give your word to someone and commit and then for some reason change your mind… If you commit then you follow through unless something reasonable has changed your mind.  It’s called respect.

  • Barney Rubble

    And a joke in poor taste at that especially considering you got more that enough back slaps from VUhoops earlier this week for Cooley’s signing of Kris Dunn.   
    And I assume you wouldn’t want  VUHoops members running over to whatever  FriarBall website (if any even exist) to troll the minute your program gets a recruiting set back or one of your players is arrested which might inevitably be the future outcome of the #1 SG you fawn over. 

    The only power shift anyone sees is that Providence basketball might finally get out of the cellar it shares with DePaul and Rutgers and squirm into the middle of the pack for an NCAA bid. 
    Villanova has 7 consecutive Seasons of 21 or more wins followed by trips to the NCAA Tournament where they won 12 games    70% of the current scholarship players (none are seniors) were Top 80 ranked players out of HS and two more are joining next season.      

  • Cord

    Doesn’t this tell you we are not getting Jefferson?

  • Cord

    YO– Wake up! This ends the chance of us getting Jefferson

  • Jjrsandiego

    Let him go.  We need teammates who are deeply committed to being part of the Villanova family.  If that turns out to be his truth, great.  Right now it is not.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Barney Rubble making some valid points.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Ends? Nah, but it blows up the “Philly Dream Team” idea they had going for a while.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I have a funny feeling this isn’t really Anderson’s dad…

  • Anonymous

    you are looking into the past as i look into the future. no one can tell me honestly that with dunn and ledo the friars wont be eyeing a top 6 finish in conference play. there are rumors swirling that cooley is set to bring in nerlens noel #5 overall in 2013 class and he is ready to reclassify to 2012 and join dunn and ledo. that class will top indiana’s and make the friars a legit threat not only in the league but in the country. now you can laugh at this or do whatever you want but with dunn and ledo and possibly noel, the friars are going to make some noise. people seem happy with goodman decommiting, so dont get on me about that. there were plenty of haters last season when the friars had many off the court issues. in case you ever get bored with this site come and chat on http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=425&f=1323

    facts are facts. and with possibly one of the top guards in the league in council as a senior next year, #11 overall ranked dunn, #9 overall ledo and possibly #5 overall in 2013 noel the friars will have one of the better teams in the big east. if you dont think so then you obviously dont know a good player when you see one.

    also, the #1 SG I fawn over will make jay dig deep into his pockets to buy some more just for men’s after seeing what “slick rick” and “kris kross” do to his guards.

  • Cord

    Come on Brian. What do you think- they went out to LA, Savon said I’m decommiting from Nova and Amile said-well I think I’ll still go there. Not happening

  • Barney Rubble

    Davis gave a verbal to Xavier. Jay won’t ruin his Boy Scout image to steal other recruits so it would have to be Myles choice to decommit on his own.

    The problem is that it’s hard to get involved this late in the process for a 2012 player and Villanova doesn’t have the recruiting budget of the State subsidized schools to turn up the juice on a new kid. At this point, it’s Jefferson or bust unless we take a chance on an under the radar player.

  • SeanDon

    I won’t miss him.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    “Villanova doesn’t have the recruiting budget of the State subsidized schools.”

    Tell that to the pilot of the private jet Jay Wright flies when he goes on recruiting trips.

  • Scott0220

    gotta admit I’m kinda shocked

  • Barney Rubble

    And whether that was really his dad or not LAST YEAR posting here is debatable although he made similar arguments to what Kyle Sr stated publicly in interviews about his sone being used as a primary PG. 

    What isn’t debtable is since Goodman was recruited by Kyle Sr to abandon his Philly friends on the AAU circuit at the beginning of the summer, he has now decommited from his college of choice and it appears from the ESPN info, he has quit on ANC to transfer into a recently created public Charter program at Constitition High School.  They just joined the PIAA in 2010.

    Constitition practices in an elementary school Cafetorium.  As a charter school, Constitution will gather an All-Star team of Philly players from all over the city and beat up on every  tiny A  size school in PA in hoops of winning a State Championship.   Goodman would be joining PG Daiquan Walker at Constitution if the transfer information is correct.  Last year they lost to another Charter school in the State Finals in their first season as a PIAA program.   It’s like Villanova with the same players it has been recruiting going out and winning the D-III National Championship. 

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Amile was never committed to Nova in the first place. These kids can influence each other, but it isn’t necessarily that much.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    If Nova doesn’t get Jefferson it has very little to do with this, it will have everything to do with the fact that Wright almost never beats out the Blue Bloods in recruiting.

  • Anonymous

    nova in my mind has got to be a strong candidate if not front runner for kyle anderson. now that kid can play. to end my time on vuhoops ill leave you all with this video. ricky doing the dougie in the dunk. barney, how can you see this kid getting in trouble??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bayqLtjVO20&feature=player_embedded

  • Cord

    I know that Brian but come on, read between the lines here> you’re smarter than that

  • Cord

    I’m not saying we were getting Jefferson– I’m saying there is no way now. Goodman just told us that Jefferson told him he’s not going to Nova

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Friartownmayor: It may not happen right away. Look at Villanova’s Foye/Ray class.

  • Scott0220

    I’d gladly trade Goodman 4 Anderson or Jefferson

  • GaryMcLain’sSkiLodge

    I don’t want a prima donna on my team, or a player that might have character issues.  These kids need to realize that they are not bigger or better than the school.  This kid would probably be Armwood all over again.  Isaiah never seemed happy at Villanova and he moved on (along with his dad who seemed to be in Wright’s ear from day 1).  That’s fine and I don’t care that he made that decision, but maybe it’s better for Villanova not to get involved with a player who would have regretted his choice.  Enjoy Kentucky, tand their swarmy coach and fans. 

    And I agree with the other posters here, we really need shooters on this team.  1 or 2 athletic players who need to develop there shooting is fine, but you can’t compete these days with a whole team that fits that description. 

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Anderson is not a good fit for Villanova’s scheme as a guard in my opinion and he has already cut ‘Nova from his list.

  • Pat

    This hurts.  I don’t care if he was raw offensivley.  Nova needed a guy of his athletic caliber at the 3 spot.  All of a sudden I’m not so excited about an Archiadacano (spelled wrong probably) and Ochefu 2012 class. I like both players but the 2 players isn’t as is to get excited about. Goodman appears to be letting his ego get to him after competing in the NYC vs. USA all star and the Boost Mobile 24 game.  I think this kid thinks he’s going pro and I wonder if he feels Jay gives him the best/any chance to get there.  I noticed he partnered with Aquille Carr in the dunk contest for an assist.  I wonder if they are looking to package themselves somewhere.  I wonder if Jay saves the scholarship for another 2013 recruit instead of replacing Goodman in the class of 2012.  My money is on the kid going to Kentucky for there success in turning out pros after 1 or 2 years of school.  None of these kids want to go to school for 4 years if they don’t have to.  I don’t think we get Amile either.  Why would he come here after the kid (Goodman) who has been pitching him since he committed flys the coupe? 

  • Anonymous

    brian. do you think freeman will keep nova on his list til the end? 

  • Anonymous

    brian. good point as someone i was talking to earlier brought that up as one of jay’s first big classes. ledo is a 2, maybe 3 year player at best with some speculation that he may only stay a year so im hoping if he is that nba ready he will be able to keep his head on straight with guidance of cooley and really show nba scouts he is ready by a huge freshman year. also if by some miracle noel follows his buddy rick to providence that would make both of them elevate their game that much more significantly. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EWBRCXF3ETHRA5IA2JWVI5QKDY wildcat07

    So if Savon decommitted and both he and Jefferson ultimately go elsewhere, does that mean Ryan A (I’m not trying to spell his last name) might also back out since the goal was for all three to play together?

  • super nova

    I am thinking that we may get both Anderson and Jefferson.

  • Barney Rubble

    Get thru the frustration of his decommitment and Savon is still a Team first kid from his play ON the court,   He rebounded, he played defense and he had a high motor all the time showing his athleticism.   He is a weak shooter from the perimeter but that is his package.  

    He can go to Kentucky but as a likely 4 year player, he would be annually recruited over for better shooting guards & forwards looking toward the NBA.    Goodman, like JVP, claimed he would be playing the 2 at Nova when everyone knows he is a 3 or 4 at that level.   .Kentucky & Duke won’t let him near the SG position.       

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Goodman good riddance – agree

    Armwood time to go – agree

    Shooters needed – agree

  • Hardcore fan

    Harrison twins 2013 would make everyone feel better.

    The 2012 scholarship problem is solved.  One less thing for JW to worry about. 

    I am more concerned that the new group of players establish their roles and gel quickly.  Savon was not going to help us this year and neither was Armwood.  Armwood may have helped in some games but was not going to be the difference maker on the season. 

    It would be nice if we could get through an entire season without any more nagging injuries.  Lets see what we got before offering any more 2012 scholarships unless someone who can shoot like the Jimmer is still available.

  • Jimdribble

    The bottom line is this. Goodman has an NBA body if he keeps working the way he has been working he is a strong draft choice.  Like it or not the NBA drafts on potential and the kid has that. Obviously, people got in his ear that he may just have to play at Kentucky for one or two years and go pro. Calipari has an NBA factory and there is no such thing as paying your dues or waiting your turn.  You just need one or two advisors to get in Goodman’s ear about the amount of NBA players that have come from Nova in the last three years and how many from Kentucky etc.  I started getting concerned when I heard Worldwide Wes was hanging around….

    I really feel this is not good. There honestly has not been much good news on and off the court for the last two years(short of this strong recruiting class) and now the cracks are there. 

  • Vu1965

    This too shall pass…..college athletics are like the stock market; if you invest in good companies with excellent balance sheets and good management you will win in the long haul. Fly-by-nights and dirty athletic programs will always fail eventually.

  • Cord

    We have been involved with Anderson for 3 months

  • mark

    welp guess they wont get rondae jefferson ethier

  • Jimdribble

    The other aspect not mentioned is that Chris Walker is gone. These recruits do not have a relationship with Doug West they did with Chris. Just commenting.

  • GPraz

    Where can I go in the middle of a Hurricane to drink myself to sleep!  ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh noooo  UConn just picked up Drummond!!! 

  • NovaFlyer

    There was a time that you made a commitment and stuck with it, school or work.  As I view today, people move all the time, college kids graduate, take a job, and move on in a year.  Seems like this is playing out among some college basketball players, and should we expect less?  Perhaps SG will still come to Nova and hopefully be the talented player we expected.  Then again he may well go somewhere for a year and alas turn pro.  Would that be what we wanted?

  • Spot ck

    Brian,
    It’s NOT the reason we’re not getting Jefferson, it’s letting us know we’re not getting Jefferson or Savon.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    OK Rubble, I give. Which is it? Bi-polar or multiple personality disorder?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SLS5VAYO6C4YMHGNBGNRMLLP2E Edward

    Undoubtedly true for the piaa playoffs…

    but imo quite a regular season sked for constitution HS

    http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/Bjw1q3PFPEqsCotIUIL-TQ/constitution-generals/basketball/schedule.htm

  • No1phillysportsfan

    yes since the word kentucky is there

  • Old School

    Get ready for a fifth year of Mo Sutton.

  • RobertDixey

    My felling is that if Savon Goodman does not want to come to Villanova then so be it. The Cats need players who are commited to being at Villanova. I believe that Jay Wright and staff will move on and get someone else. I am not going to lose sleep over whether Savon Goodman chooses to come to Villanova.

  • Spot ck

    Jim,
    Agree,this is not good on several levels.
    .
    Great kid by ALL known accounts,along with Ryan A. the loudest most enthusiastic voice in the
    recruiting of A. Jefferson and singing the praises of VU.

    Kills the local funnel,if Savon were a kid from Texas,different story.

    Double hit in that we felt 100% secure with Savon, and let’s face it,we thought Ryan A. ,Savon and
    the BIG O would bring A.Jefferson home to roost giving us the #1 recruiting class in the country and
    maybe,just maybe the most important point of all,they were all PHILLY KIDS!!

    Break the program,NO.(Agree with Barney).
    MAJOR, MAJOR hit,YES!!

    PUFF and the PHILLY KIDS are gone!!

    I can’t imagine how Ryan A. and the BIG O feel at this point.
    Hang in guys, this will pass,I promise!!

     

  • Colt

    I’m not saying that something like this has happened to Savon, but “new interest” from schools sounds like one, two, five, … or who knows how many schools, have approached Savon and given him a “new reason” to look at their schools. The question is if he already had Kentucky and a bunch of other schools on his list (when he was also higher ranking on the scouting reports than he is now) and choose Nova, what really changed? This doesn’t sound like new schools, rather new reasons….

    I’d rather have a clean program than the problems USC, Ohio St, UNC, LSU, Auburn, Miami, Kentucky, and the other host of proven cheaters. For those who think Nova isn’t squeaky clean I would point to the JVP and Reggie history of Nova suspending students for entire semesters, compared to the actions of other schools faced with similar or worse situations.

  • Colt

    By “swipe in,” I think friartowndogcatcher was talking about Cooley giving his recruits credit cards!

  • Spot ck

    Correct, no way!!

  • Anonymous

     he grew up with foster parents on the south side of providence….dont think he has credit cards to give out “colt”. by looking at each coach in the big east roam the sidelines i think jay would be top 5 for looking like he has credit cards to give out. thanks for the arrogant comment from someone who has no idea what he/she is talking about.

  • Barney Rubble

    The past doesn’t include the current Roster of players or the fact that not one of those touted Villanova recruits are seniors meaning that adding Dunn & Ledo still won’t close the gap between the programs next season any more than Noel would in 2012 or 2013.  Providence has to actually start winning more games as a team before anything changes or anyone takes them seriously.  Just because the KC Royals beat the Red Sox or Yankees every once in a while doesn’t chamge the fact they are perenial losers.    Providence is the KC Royals of BIG EAST Basketball.    

    As brian is trying to caution you and as most basketball fans understand, landing one or two good recruiting classes brings more expectations than results.   You can go back and look at the Top 10 recruiting classes of the last few years and you won’t see Butler or VCU or George Mason listed among them and you can wonder why the very highly touted 2009 UNC class was playing in the NIT as freshman.   

    In 2009, the Top 7 recruiting classes ranked by ESPN were Kentucky, UNC, Villanova, Texas, Kansas, Oklahona, Georgia Tech.   Only Kentucky has been to a Final Four in the last 2 seasons and they didn’t do it with the 2009 recruits who are in the NBA, they did it with their 2010 recruits leading the way.  The Ga Tech coach was already fired.     
    Unless they can win something, it won’t matter that Yarou (18), Cheek (19) and Wayns (23) were all in ESPN’s Top 25 and also listed among Rivals Top 30 players (Yarou #10, Wayns #26,  Cheek #30) 

    Facts are facts and you can run around the Donut Center all you want waiving recruiting rankings but the fact is they count for exactly zero wins once the tipoff occurs and you are left with a Providence team that lacks the bench to last a season trying to keep up.  
    As far as anyone telling you anything, you are too delusional to understand that 2 players doesn’t make you a Top 6 program in the Big East which is why your comments here draw smirks and you have nothing to add but wishful thinking.       .   

  • LM 92

    Angry, Disappointed, Confused???
    He’s de-committing, changing High Schools…….someone new is in this kid’s head. 
    No matter how you slice it, Savon pulled a “Big East Conference” on us and left us at the alter.
    Just like I can’t wait to take it out on Pitt, Rutgers and WVU, because of the football D-1 thing, can’t wait to prove to Savon he’s making a bad decision.
    If he goes to St Johns or Louisville, that will piss me off to no end!
    If he goes to Texas, I won’t feel much better.
    If he goes to UCLA or Arizona, then the West Coast Tournament had something slimy and in the works for awhile.
    Now, that that’s out of my system…..LET’S GO GET A SHOOTING GUARD!!!!!!!!

  • Colt

    Your welcome for the arrogant. I hope you enjoyed it. I KNOW I DID!!! :-D
    Take my advice, have some thick skin when you peruse others’ websites, especially when you’re lobbing softball terms like “swipe” on a thread about stealing people’s recruits…

  • Barney Rubble

    I disagree with Cord that this signals much of anything about Amile unless you can in turn tell us exactly what school he is going to commit towards.  I think it’s a ding io our image because we haven’t had kids decommit in recent years.   This sucks but it doesn’t change Villanova as a school.
     
    These are 2 kids that know each other from many years of competing against and in some cases (AAU & some all star games) playng  along side each other.  They aren’t extremely close friends like Anderson & Cunningham were growing up on the same street together in Maryland staying over at each other houses.   They aren’t even really looking at the same group of schools unless Kyle Anderson, Jefferson & Goodman have some pact to go to UCLA together.  
    I don’t see Jefferson leaving Friends Central to run to some recently created Charter school just to play in the smallest classification despite recruiting specific players from across the biggest School District in the entire State.  

    This may be disappointing to Amile that he wouldn’t have Savon on his team as a freshman but how does this make NC State or Maryland look any better to Jefferson??   Both those schools already lost their original Top recruits to decomitments (Justin Anderson & Torian Graham) 
    Villanova is hardly alone by any stretch of the imagination in having someone decommit.   

    http://www.testudotimes.com/2011/5/19/2180318/reports-justin-anderson-officially-reconsidering-maryland-pledge     
    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-08-08/torian-graham-nc-state-decommits-shooting-guard-prospect   

  • Anonymous

    arrogance* my skin is thick enough to come on here and defend what i say against everyone isnt it? so far i havent encountered one person who actually knows a lick beyond nova hoops. not that i look hard but still. you and others dont have skin thick enough to even know where to go besides this site to talk about basketball or even if you did i doubt i would find you guys on anywhere beyond your safe haven which is vuhoops. also way to go for ignoring your credit card statement after i responded. you can’t keep coming back with comments that dont correspond to your previous ones.

  • Anonymous

    it’ll only be a matter of time before people see what coach cooley can do, and i am salivating at the mouth for that day to come. until then you are right we havent done jack. all those numbers are great, anyone with a computer and a brain can get them at their finger tips. one thing is different. those schools didnt have a hometown coach, someone who knows providence better than anyone who has ever walked foot on or off that campus. atleast we can call the dunk “ours”, unlike your wells fargo center. the pavilion is great, but nova has become “too good” to play all their games their which is a shame. im glad you brought up butler, vcu and george mason (who was coached by former providence grad jim larranaga). coaching won those games along with heart and gritty defense, all things which in due time the friars will bring. dunn, ledo and soon noel will buy into what cooley is preaching and in time, as i said, so too will others. if they account for zero wins, why is everyone buzzing about nova recruits, as they account for zero wins. in fact, why do people get stir crazy about recruits if they account for zero wins. i guess only nova fans can get excited about their recruits. enjoy your season, try not to get blown out by perennial losers on this year (aka at the dunk last year) or have another one of jay’s street ball guards, that account to nothing after college, bail you out with little time to spare (against depaul). i wont even bring up the rutgers game. so before you start calling out other schools, make sure you are able to beat those teams. so when the friars send the best and deepest backcourt in the league next year with council, dunn, coleman and ledo the wins will come and so to will more recruits. enjoy your flash mobs.

  • Smokey

    damnit, that sucks

  • Hopeful

    Couldn’t he re-commit later in the fall? Maybe Jefferson decides to commit and Goodman decides he really does want to be part of an All-Philly group that could lead Nova to the promise land. I mean, FriarFan is over there tuting his own horn, but if Ricky Ledo re-commits to Providence (which he hasn’t) why couldn’t Goodman decide his first choice was the best. Also, I’ll say this. Ledo wants to go to Kentucky, although no one knows if the interest is mutual. However, if it is and he chooses Kentucky…. maybe that makes Goodman question Kentucky as an option. Just saying, there is a long time from now til the late signing period next spring. I for one hope Goodman reconsiders and follows through on his original commitment. And I hope we land Amile alongside him. The shooter issue can be solved in the 2013 class. A 2012 class of Archy, Goodman, Jefferson, and Ochefu would be a tremendous class. Also remember that Hillard appears to be someone who could really contribute as a shooter down the road. Idk, we’ll see what happens. But I’d definetly like to get Goodman back and see Jefferson come in.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Yes, he can recommit. We don’t know how likely that is at this point.

  • http://twitter.com/That_Kid_Connor Connor N. ︻╦╤─

    Why do u think we lost Gilchrist?

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Just to be clear, Ochefu is still committed: 

    https://twitter.com/#!/DanielOchefu23/status/107579587021643776

    And he wants Rondae Jefferson to commit to Nova:

    http://twitter.com/DanielOchefu23/status/107557222581665792

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Nova was NEVER in the lead for Rondae…

    BUT: http://twitter.com/DanielOchefu23/status/107557222581665792

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    You are a right thinking Villanova fan.

  • http://twitter.com/That_Kid_Connor Connor N. ︻╦╤─

    Yes, just to toy with us

  • http://twitter.com/That_Kid_Connor Connor N. ︻╦╤─

    Yes it does. 
    Quite similar to Austin Rivers (#1 2011 Prospect)
    He commited to his hometown Florida Gators early on, then decommited when he started to nationally blow up, kept Florida in “considered” schools, but ultimately chose Duke
    Savon was the future, now he is just gonna be part of the past

  • Spot ck

    Sorry,Colt is right,Kentucky and Duke were all there and Savon picked VU.
    Kentucky is old news.
    Academic problems and Robert Moore are new problems,therein lies the answer.

  • Spot ck

    Waaaayyyy off,not even close.Sorry.

  • Spot ck

    Brian,
    On second thought, if this turns out to be academic it becomes a non-factor in the Amile saga.

  • NovaFlyer

    Why not open the window and see what blows in.  SG is still in our scope and he may attend, let him be courted for a while.  If his priority changed then perhaps it is best his school changes.  He may just want to see what the rest of the world is like.  I have no problem with that.  If he bought into the values once he may well come back.

  • JS

    In general, we’re recruiting at a higher level then ever before. It’s quite possible that other talented prospects might have considered Nova but haven’t due to our scholarship situation, so let’s see what happens now.

  • Joegrane

    Jay wants players who will be in the system for 3 or 4 years.  Might it be that Goodman–or the folks in his ear–is planning on an early exit to the NBA?

    For much of the Wright era this team has had good outside shooters.  We’ve seen recently that a lack of shooters in favor of longer players does not necessarily translate into more wins.  I’m *certainly* not a Goodman hater!  It would be great to welcome him back.  However, do we have a greater need for a shooter?

  • Spot ck

    Brian,
    I can’t get it. What is the BUT: ?
    Thanks!

  • Barney Rubble

    There are no local  ”A” public schools other than other Charter schools and a few privates.    ”A”  classification for normal public schools is basically very RURAL podunk towns with a couple dozen boys in the High School.  Constitution with recruits like Walker & Goodman are getting invites to multiple match-up Events & Showcases to face Chester, Penn Wood,  Pltmouth Whitemarsh and Neshaminy,
    They could play up for the State Playoffs under PIAA guidelines  but refuse to do so and that is why the State Final Four of “A”  last year consisted of 3 Charter schools and 1 Private school.   
    Under the current system no normal Public school of that size will ever again win a State Championship because you can’t get enough elite players out of East CowChip, PA with less than 139 boys to beat a Charter School full of Philly or Pittsburgh recruited All-Stars.    

    Even the Private School competition has dwindled at A level because majority of the Catholic schools close down or merge when they get that small.   
     I think Charters are an awesome idea academically but the Industrial Sports Complex has moved in to abuse their rules in major cities.    Instead of privately funded St Anthony & St Patrick type programs, you now have Constitution Charter,  Math Civics & Sciences Charter,  World Communication Charter as your Basketball Powers built on the taxpayer dime.  

  • Guest

    Can’t see either tweet, any other way you can show us what they say?

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    “I’d rather have a clean program.”

    I hate to say it, but those may not exist in the major conferences.

    http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/08/26/qa-with-dan-wolken-of-the-daily/

    “There’s one particular program right now – an elite program that most fans wouldn’t ever guess – that everyone in basketball knows is straight-up paying guys. Will they get caught? I don’t know, but the more this stuff gets exposed, the more we can shatter these ridiculous media-fueled notions about who’s dirty and who isn’t.”

  • Colt

    Son, let me educate you on something. It’s called word play. Unfortunately you are too stupid and ignorant to see when you’ve been served. A real man would have noted when he came upon a master who educated him. You should have said touche, and moved along. I made a damn fine and humorous statement concerning credit cards off of YOUR word choice. Besides my obvious superiority over you on humor and word play, let me tell you that I have a pedigree and volume of college basketball knowledge so great and vast I have literally forgotten more than you, your children and your children’s children will ever cumulatively know about the subject. And the amount I have forgotten would fit in my pinky. Go back to your white trash, Boston College safety school, or build some calluses if you choose to stay.

  • Barney Rubble

    It says that Ochefu wants to look at Temple again….  

                                         ….ok, Barney is getting his sense of Humor back…..LOL
                                           (no seriously, Brian what  dis it say?   Ochefu locked it now)  

  • Barney Rubble

    thanks…//breath in…breath out…

  • Anonymous

    Once again you shy away from any argument and talk about hardened skin. Interesting little tidbit. I guess all I can do is take your word on all this so called knowledge and trust your work relates to sports or college basketball in general or then you must not know that much more than myself. I actually can’t wait to go back to friartown and have some fun. Thanks for reminding me of it. Your credit card statement was not as funny as it would have been if you said we compared “statements”. If you knew so much you would have figured I wasn’t worth your time so by commenting back you tell me that you feel you have to prove yourself on here instead of doing it in your place of work. This back and forth banter is however wasting my time and I knew that after you called out providence. That shows your insecurity as a catholic (if you are) and a big east fan. Guess you hate where offices are located as well, if you have been to them you would know not to say that. So touché, touché.

  • Spot ck

    LM,
    Bingo!  …”.someone new is in this kid’s head”.

    Check out Robert Moore, Savon’s new high-school coach.
    School starts in about 10/15 days and his old high-school coach hasn’t heard a word,nice or what!!

    Robert Moore has confirmed that Savon is registered at Constitution High in Philly.(Opened last year).

    I don’t mind Moore raving about Fran Dunphy and telling his kid’s that Temple is the #1 BB school
    in Philly.

    Fran Dunphy is a GREAT BB coach and is finally being recognized as such,being local all my life I’m
    very familiar with Fran’s career as a coach and a player.Fantastic guy.

    Do I think Fran is the best coach in the Philly area?? In a word Yes!!

    Would I want my son to go to Temple and play for Fran or go to VU and play for Jay??

    PLEASE!! As much as I love Fran the VU experience is overwhelming in every way and I mean every
    way.
    Sorry Fran.

    Mr. Moore went on a public rant last spring singing Fran’s praises,while tearing down Jay and VU.
    Mr.Moore never mentioned Jay or VU,while naming players at Temple and how they were developed,
    while stating over and over that Fran was the best coach in the area “hands down”.
    X’s and O’s hands down,no question Fran is the best”.

    Being from Philly,born and raised,bear with me when I tell you it was an all out attack on Jay and the
    main-line elite!!

    MR. Moore, teach, coach, council and fulfill your obligation to your young players,but please there is
    no need for your “veiled” insults aimed at Jay and the VU community.(Maybe you could start by telling
    Savon to give his OLD high-school coach a courtesy call to let him know what’s up and as for Jay the
    over-rated guy out on the mainline,I’m sure he has figured it out already.Savon just isn’t cutting it
    academically.

  • Spot ck

    Barney,
    BINGO!!
    The abuse of the Charter rules and Savon’s academic problems and Mr. Robert Moore showing up
    to make everything better,way to go coach, what would we do without you.

    Barney,without the academic problem I firmly believe this never happens. SG was VU all the way.
    What do you think??

  • Vince 66

    This smells really badly. How much more of this would occur if the move was made to Div1 Football?

  • Spot ck

    Barney,
    That was really shitty,Moore, Savon’s new high-school coach is a huge Temple fan and anti VU guy.

  • Spot ck

    Jesus Brian if you won’t tell me, will you tell Barney for Christ’s sake. I promise I won’t read it!!

  • Barney Rubble

    I am angry at the decision as you are, Badger but it doesn’t change how I view Savon Goodman as a Basketball player ON THE COURT.   The kid has toughness, teamwork and skills even if perimeter shooting isn’t one of them.  

    As the story builds, the HS transfer followed by brian’s updated comments about possible academic issues and I have to think that there maybe more to this than we originally noticed.. 
    If Savon is going to be a 2013 recuit because of Academics, he might have chosen to look around.   Markus Kennedy had the same option but his mother and him decided to stay loyal to Villanova.   I applaud that loyalty by Kennedy.  

    Savon verbaled just as his junior season was about to start.  Obviously, it was his choice to commit early.   But now if he is dragged out to 2013, he has yet a third season to wait thru.  Maybe he wants to take those trips to see other schools after all. 

    If he isn’t qualified academically for 2012, then we haven’t lost anything…..yet..   
    It’s just speculation on his academics but some things are very strange here.       

  • Cord

    Whoops–haven’t been involved

  • Barney Rubble

    Wow…revealing stuff for “Coach Moore”.  
    scary stuff too if he is steering one of our recruits away from us.  

    (btw Constitution joined PIAA officially a year ago but the Charter school opened doors about 5 years ago)

    I am questioning how much Savon’s academic situation is playing into this.
    Being a 2013 recruit changes this a bit on why he might want to look around although he still could have remained loyal like Markus did.   It would certailnly change the effect this has on Jefferson if Savon was not qualified for 2012 anyways..  
    if he screwed himself up academically, he might be embarassed about it and looking for these College trips to give himself an ego boost.   Just speculating… 

    I still think Jefferson makes a Fall decision after reading his comments about all the phone calls he is getting.    After these upcoming trips, he sounds like he is ready to End it. 

    Of all the trips that scare me, the Stanford one he mentioned is one that I worry about.   Academically, that is pretty impressive offer although Amile would be  3000 miles away from family.   With Armwood & now Goodman out of the equation, there is more Freshman minutes for a 6’8 forward with a 7 foot wingspan.       

  • Mr. Cheeks

    a championship might change that, but who knows when that will happen

  • Barney Rubble

         >>>The sources described the situation as being “very complicated.” The cell phone for Goodman’s aunt, Heather, has been disconnected. There is no word on how much communication there has even been between Goodman and Villanova of late, and some have suggested that a third party could actually be involved.
    ANC coach Kevin Givens also seemed to be on the outside looking in.
    “I really can’t confirm anything on the storyline,” he acknowledged Saturday afternoon. “It’s kind of unfortunate, not hearing anything. I just got a phone call from Wake Forest and Virginia Tech, but I’ve got a message to Villanova as we speak. I’m also trying to get through to Savon, and his aunt and uncle. They haven’t told me they were planning on decommitting. So I’m just waiting to hear from those guys.”
    There’s also speculation that Goodman won’t be returning to ANC this year because of his academic standing. And that he might not be able to start college until 2013 instead of 2012.  <<<
    Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/villanova/20110827_Sources__Goodman_to_decommit_from_Nova.html#ixzz1WILeFt8X 

    Ted Silary is the guy someone should get a hold of for more info.  Write him or call him.
    I've read his stuff for years…Good philly guy who is in the know for High School and even Middle School CYO events.   He was a contributor to that article so he knows something about whats going on here.
     

  • ts_bentley

    at the end the kids looking for the white chicks that swallow, haha follow me @ ts_bentley

  • ts_bentley

    follow me @75795fa3ed31882694870c1e2ac32b2c:disqus , the white girls will do anything for a athlete, specially swallow n do our hw

  • Pat

    Brian,

    Please remove this losers comments. Inappropriate!

  • Pat

    Brian,
     
    Please remove this losers comments. Inappropriate

  • LM 92

    thanks HB
    hope everyone is or has made it through Irene ok!

  • Southoftheborder

    Goodman, obviously is enjoying the spot light and his sights on a pro career a year or two down stream. Higher profile schools afford him what he is seeking.

  • Colt

    Excellent interview Brian. Thanks for the link!

  • novacat81

    Hey Everybody – if the kid’s not going to cut it academically, socially, or commit to being a ‘Villanovan’ then we say Good-Bye !    We’ve had enough behavorial disappointments lately with current or recently graduated players.   Personally, I’d rather support a clean, respected program than win another National Championship. 

  • Colt

    So here’s a question (or three).
    We heard a rumor couple months ago that SG was going to reclassify to 13, apparently due to academic problems. Why is he playing in tournaments all summer long if he has school problems?
    If it turns out to be true that SG (or any other HS kid right now) just went all summer long playing instead of hitting the books to get caught up, then what would that say about his academic work ethic and priorities? (I guess I hate to see kids putting all their eggs in the one basket called “professional sports”, knowing how uncertain that is.)

    Finally, does one’s personal academic prioritization matter to a college basketball program, even one at Villanova? Maybe there are two tiers in college athletics, Nova, Vandy, Standford, Notre Dame and then there are Kentucky, Duke, Alabama, Gtown where it doesn’t matter.

  • Vu1965

    As we, alumni, fans,and supporters of Villanova athletics are all aware Villanova does not offer academic majors such as “Parks and Recreation”, “Movie Appreciation”, and “Basket Weaving”; unlike many of our higher learning friends in the Big East. This fact makes it harder to recruit quality athletes who can excel on the athletic field and while being able to handle the academic requirments and actually earn a valid degree. I really think Jay Wright knows that high school athletes like Savon Goodman  would not be good for the program in the long run due to their limited academic sustainability and the the fact that after 1 or 2 years would leave to go to the NBA. My guess is that Savon Goodman will keep switching high schools until he can find a school that will give him a diploma based on little or no classroom work.
    So, let’s not get our “shorts in a bunch” over Savon Goodman who is a train wreck waiting to happen.

  • Ed’77

    VU1965, Your point reminded me why I would love the Cats to land Amile Jefferson (beyond his athletic prowess).  This from Mainline Media News five months ago:  “The Gatorade Company today announced Amile Jefferson as its 2010-11 Gatorade Pennsylvania Boys Basketball Player of the Year.  The award, which recognizes not only outstanding athletic excellence, but also high standards of academic achievement and exemplary character demonstrated on and off the court, distinguishes Jefferson as Pennsylvania’s best high school boys basketball player.”  That is the kind of player I like to see wearing a Nova uniform.

  • Rick19

    Feels like a combination of tough academics at Nova vs Savon’s status, the crashes of the past two years and Jay’s inability to get guys into the NBA.

  • Hardcore fan

    alot of speculation and no hard facts.  If he reclassifies to 2013 that doesn’t make him a bad person. Kennedy just did the same thing and from JW’s comments it seems to have worked for him. I would rather have Savon in 2013.  These large super recruiting classes make  program development or consistency an issue and causeproblems with playing time.

    Good luck to him, I expect it will work out for both him and Villanova. 

    We needed something to discuss to get us through the next 47 days 12 plus hours.

  • Spot ck

    Barney,
    I think your “Just speculating…” is right on.
    I firmly believe,no academic problems, no de-commit, he was all about VU and getting Amile on board.

    I was stunned last spring when a local high-school coach went public in his praise of a local college
    coach, while claiming said coach was “hands down the best” and then went on to support his claims
    by naming players and their development under said coach.

    X’s and O’s the best, the best in the area.”
    Coach Moore’s comments were not meant for Bruiser or any other Philly coach,they were meant
    for the high profile national coach on the main-line.

    Private counseling with your players,absolutely!!
    Daiquan Walker “It’s an honor to have the #1 BB school in the Philly area show there interested”.

    Public rants,NOT COOL,extremely unprofessional.

    I thought at the time, that this guy is a real cancer to our efforts in maintaining the Philly connection.
    Robert Moore-BB Coach-Constitution High.(Mental note,I won’t forget).

    Savon is going where??
    AH SHIT!!

    Savon,try to get the academics straightened out and get your ass in gear and associate yourself
    with winners. VU is still here,it’s your choice and not to late to get back on the right track,that’s not
    where you are now!!

  • Spot ck

    JW doesn’t recruit train wrecks.
    Shame on Savon,if he asked for help and was sincere in his effort to improve academically he would
    be at VU.
    In the long run it’s his loss.

  • Spot ck

    Savon’s new mentor and high-school coach has already pounded that into his head, I’m sure!!

  • Barney Rubble

    Ryan was first to commit and his parents are both loyal alumni….Dad was Captain of Nova Football team.   Ryan is from the same area that Jay Wright grew up in Bucks County and plays in (neshaminy) neighboring HS to Council Rock North where Jay’s younger brother Coaches.
    Ryan Arcidiacono bleeds Villanova Blue.  

    The bigger set-back for Ryan may be if Maalik Wayns returns as a senior and I am now leaning toward the fact that will probably happen unless Maalik gets his butt in gear during the season.

    Now if Nate Britt commits here, well then Ryan has a whole another level of competition at the PG position, IMO.     

  • Barney Rubble

    September 20th, 2011 is the D-Day for Kyle Anderson on his 18th birthday. 
    UCLA, Florida, St John’s, Seton Hall, Georgetown 

    He is all over the place so heaven knows who he selects.   
    Gtown has not got much primping from him.   I thought UCLA was a longshot but he showed it all kinds of love this week even talking about teaming up with other 2012 players there.   . 

  • Gunner

    Question: Who has more rights to talk to a kid after a verbal…The coach he gave the verbal to, or the other 300 he did not? All I know is that Jay can’t even say a kids name til he signs, but it seems like the Calipari’s and Calhouns of the world can get to a kid who’s committed  elsewhere. How’s that work?
    That said, best of luck to Savon Goodman. I’ll be a proud Nova fan with or without you. You’re too young to know what’s best for you. You better hope the people you’re listening to care more for you than tnemselves.

  • Lorenzo53

    Saw Goodman play 2x. Not a good defense player. Academics a problem as VU has a 100% graduation rate and doesn’t have the “easy” programs some schools do. Too late, bye bye. You gotta want to be somewhere or you gotta go.

  • Barney Rubble

    Speculation makes the internet go round…lol
    You are right, if Savon can starighten the academic ship for 2013, he still is someone to look at again.   But Savon has to make the right decisions and surround himself with the right mentors.

    Not every student-athlete we bring aboard is a smarty-pants. Clark & Pena to name two recent Villanova grads who may have done what was needed to get that sheepskin with the proper guidance and tutoring. They are Villanova Men now.
    I am a proponent of bringing Jordan Washington (2013 or 2014) aboard as a recruit and he appears to have a rough academic backround coming out of a very difficult family situation. (dad incarcerated…mom livees away in VA) But bringing him into the Villanova family may give him the mentoring he needs off the court.

    We can complain about the severity of the punishment on JVP by the University but in the end, JVP, his mother, Jay Wright as well as his mentor at New Heights AAU were all on the same page in how to get him back on the court this year. That’s a success by Coach Wright in building those relationships.

  • Scott0220

    if not Amile then what shooter would we look at?

  • Spot ck

    Barney,
    Keith Pompey, Philly .Com- Goodman rejects Nova!!
    He is an Owl Insider writer and Temple’s BB beat writer.

    Goodman called Jay on Mon.8/22 to de-commit.
    Goodman registered at Constitution on Wed. 8/24.
    Yes, coach Moore knew that Savon had de-commited from VU,but nothing else.RIGHT!!

    Philly has enough sports writers, there is no need for the Temple beat writer to be reporting (gloating)
    on VU’s rejection.

    Pompey was also the writer, that wrote the article about coach Moore’s rants, in telling the world that
    Fran Dunphy was the best coach in Philly and Temple was the #1 BB team in the area.

    Simply don’t like it,not 1st class,there is an odor,this is not the way to handle the situation.
    Oh well, onward and upward!

  • Jimdribble

    I have to tell you that Pompey has crossed the line as a journalist many times. He does not like Nova and actually wrote that Tyreke Evans should not go to Nova and is better off at Memphis and this was in an article.  

  • Petrickw

    Seeing Savon Goodman only once on tv he looks to me a lot like a lot of young players who seem to be a little lost on the court and excellent in bursts; especially during their freshman year when they begin to compete against similar competition. Savon did not look like a Kentucky recruit type of talent to me. Perhaps, that is why he is transferring to another high school and this year we will be getting a better idea of what we are probabally losing.

    As for Jefferson may think about the NBA or Europe hope the coach is as flexible as possible in designing the offense each year and that Jay communicates his thinking about how he may change his style with a newer role in the offense for these players to begin their paths at Villanova.

  • Barney Rubble

    You got it on the spot.    
    The Villanova SUCCESS which the local opposition want to refer to as arrogance is under attack.   Temple Basketball can’t rise above their current situation without pushing Villanova down. 
    I like dunphy a lot and wish him success but the old time hate mongers toward “that Mainline school” are coming out of the woodwork.     

    The 2012 Class was starting to look like total domination by Villanova if we landed all 4 Philly kids.   Goodman was the weakest link to exploit with his academic issues so now they got him in a Philly public school with Rob Moore.  Let the conspiracy theory spring from there… 

    I am still thinking positive about Amile Jefferson who now has more minutes available as a freshman forward than he did 2 weeks ago.   He has the academics in line and he a better all around game than Goodman.    An OPEN scholarship is his to take. 

    Jefferson – Arcidiacono – Ochefu would still give us size, speed and SCORING ability even if we lack the sniper in that class. 

  • Barney Rubble

    Markus said other coaches were all harassing him to leave Villanova behind after he gave his verbal.    His Mom was very clear that Markus would honor his word and stay true to Villanova even through the extra year of Prep.   

    I remember when Kenedy wanted to attend local public school basketball powerhouse Penn Woods but Jay Wright pushed him to Winchedon (MA) in the NEPSAA for his own good.  
              “I think what’s important is that people know the truth,” Markus said. “They see four schools in 4 years and think something is up. But I know coach Wright only accepts character players and I would have been back at Living Faith if the school was still open.”     

    Does anyone think Savon was advised to leave ANC and go to Constitution by Jay Wright?   Did Savon even ask for his opinion the way Mrs Kennedy asked Jay for advice?.

  • GPraz

    LM92 I agree. he pulled a Big East “sorry I didn’t really mean it when I asks to play with you.”  Brian can I really freaking curse or something. I have a lot of pent up anger!!  

  • JS

    Jay’s inability? Hardly.

  • Popcity1

    Savon leaving ANC for academic reasons and de-commitment from Nova is a testament to all that is wrong with youth basktball. If Savon is not doing well academicly WHY is he playing AAU Basketball and not in summer school studying ? How is he invited to elite camps when he’s not doing well as a Student ? Why are there adults in this young man’s ear encouraging him not to honor his word ? What do The Playaz care about Championships or Savon Goodman. Pardon the pun but Goodman needs a few Good Men around him to help him get back on track. Young man give Coach Wright a call he cares about his players !

  • derp

    Anybody else find it a little strange that Villanova is on Kyle Anderson’s list on all ESPN, Rivals, and Scout? The Rivals list seems to be off a little, but ESPN and Scout only list Villanova and the five schools that he’s known to be considering. Not sure why that would be the case, I haven’t heard him say anything about considering ‘Nova again.

  • NovaKid

    It is a shame that he decommitted for all the reasons stated above. But lets face facts if he cannot do the work in high school how can he possible do the work at Nova. If he and Amile finally come to Nova or not we have two fine recruits in that class who can play and fit into the puzzle. The other two are (and I know this is not going to sit very well with the Philly guys) two very gifted kids who have poor fundementals, re basketball,  and might have been with one of the poorest coached programs ever. Go find a tape from the Boys and Girls game which they lost.

    The point is if they don’t want Nova so be it. I wish them both well and hope they make the best choices for them…..but we all should remember that the “last” final four team didn’t have highly touted recruits, except for Scottie, its about everyone pulling in the same direction.

    Go Cats

  • Spot ck

    He did,he called Mon. 8/22/11 to tell Jay he was decommitting.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Hi Vu1965.  I generally agree with you but we shouldn’t get too high on our horses.  It is a reasonable assertion that scholarship athletes (football and basketball players especially) are treated differently than regular students at all of the major conference schools, with the possible exceptions of the Ivy League schools and the service academies, and Villanova is no different.  I would say the degree to which they are treated differently varies widely.  Although Villanova is at the positive end of the spectrum and certainly is nowhere a degree factory in my opinion, let’s not pretend all of of our guys are cracking the engineering books burning the midnight oil at the library on school nights.  Let’s not forget that even the mighty academic powerhouse Duke got a lot of bad press for their 3 year accelerated degree program and Stanford recently was embarrassed by having a regularly available book of classes favorable to athletes.

  • Hardcore fan

    Why would you talk bad about Amile’s game.  He tore up everyone this summer. He was unstopable as was Savon. 

    Maybe we should have a slogan Sweet Sixteen and possible final four go nova.  If thats not your goal then go elsewhere.

    We are young but I still like our current team. Let the dogs loose and lets see what happens.  Come on Jay forty minutes of hell is SEXY. 

  • Spot ck

    Jim,
    Didn’t know that,it figures.

    Barney,
    Exactly!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Yes, the trip back down from the Cape to DC was largely without incident.  Back to work though!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Interesting, and largely agree with you, but you never actually answered my question…=)

  • Popcity1

    On 8/22/11 Savon called to relay what his “advisors” agenda was. The same “advisors” who had him playing AAU when he should have been Studying. If he continue to follow their advice he may end up in Europe or a J.C.

  • Cord

    Spot on about ANC–that guy is awful and that team was fundamentally pathetic. I don’t know about the guy from Friends

  • Spot ck

    You don’t know any of that,your painting a scenario to fit the situation.
    You mentioned calling Jay and I simply pointed out the facts as reported.

    Look the situation stinks the kid was all VU and getting Amile to commit and bingo he’s gone.

    Academics or the lack thereof leads to Constitution High and MR. Moore.

    I think we all agree Savon is on the wrong track,but he put himself in a position to end up where he is.

    I agree, if he was serious about his future he would have buckled down and done the job,he didn’t
    and here we are.
    It’s a damn shame,by all accounts a good kid.

  • Barney Rubble

    I agree with some of the Savon comments but you do know that he didn’t go to the same high school as Amile.    Goodman was at ANC with Christmas and Gilbert while Jefferson goes to Friends Central who won the Independent Schools Championship last year.   I’ve heard some criticisms about the ANC coach and outside their early win over Findley Prep, they clearly under performed last year with all that Big East talent on their roster. 

    In the last 4 mos, Savon quit his AAU team to go play with Anderson on NJ Playaz, then he decommitted from Villanova followed by quitting ANC to go to a small “admission select” Public School.. Talk about bells and whistles going off that someone(s)  is in this kid’s ear….lol

    The family disconnecting phone numbers and not even making a clean break from ANC  is inexcusable behavior    Savon could have found a way to attend the couple of Elite Camps but pass on AAU tournaments to get his school work cleaned up.   He had his scholarship and AAU season served him no purpose unless his new mentor(s) were trying to parlay his summer success into putting him back on the market.     

    Very disturbing issues here and since Jay Wright & staff cannot comment on it, I look forward to seeing what Goodman or this Coach Moore character have to say publicly.     Was reading some comments made previously by Coach Moore and he has a real axe to grind with Philly kids playing at Private high schools.    
    Last year when Xavier Harris was 30 SAT points shy of getting into PENN as the first Public League player in 30 years, Coach Moore was blaming the admissions office at Penn like they were mistreating the kid.    

    Interesting to watch…..
    Constitution plays Arcidiacono’s Neshaminy team and Jefferson;s  Friends Centrel team in match-up events this winter and they have a non-league game scheduled vs Council Rock North which is coached by Jay Wright’s brother.

  • Barney Rubble

    Just a side effect but why wouldn’t this give Jay even more reason to put a full court press on forward Reggie Cameron in 2013 class?    Any worries Reggie might have about being buried at his position should alleviate somewhat now that it appears we won’t have both Jefferson & Goodman on our roster.

    Cameron is still getting offers but I think Jay need to tell him how much we value his shooting.  Cameron has more value to Villanova than he does to most other schools because we desperately need his sharpshooting but can wait for the rest of his game to mature in college.   Cameron is middling prospect to most analysts  (espn has him down to two stars) so we should make him feel like a priority to Villanova. 

  • Barney Rubble

    Here were the comments by Goodman’s former Team Philly AAU coach when he commited last year.   

          >>> “He looks like a tough, mean kid but for real he’s a marshmallow,” Team Final coach Cedric Jones told ESPN. “He’s a nice, loving kid. On the court, he plays with a whole different attitude. He’s a Big East player. He has the toughness.  He’s a Villanova player.”
    Talk to anyone about Goodman and it doesn’t take long for “toughness” to enter into the conversation. <<<  

    Obviously, hiis former AAU and his former ANC coach both were vdery supportive of his commitment to Villanova.   Now he has turned his back on both of them.  

  • Barney Rubble

    This Goodman interview was only about 4 weeks before he decommited…um…um.. wow is all I can say to the unbridled enthusiasm he exhibited toward being a Wildcat.    

    http://villanova.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1242463  
         >>> Goodman has been committed to Villanova for quite some time and yet he still has
    about a year to go before he finally joins the program.”I’m very excited,”
    Goodman said. “I love my Villanova family. I love coach [Jay] Wright, he’s been
    there my whole recruitment . . . I keep in contact with former coaches [who
    left] . . . It’s a family.”The coaches that have left for other schools that
    Goodman said he still speaks with are Keith Urgo (Penn State) and Chris Walker
    (Texas Tech).”Yeah, I talk to Maalik [Wayns] like every day,” Goodman said
    of which players he has been in touch with. “I talk to . . . Markus [Kennedy]
    because he’s from Philly.”Before ending the interview, VUSports.com asked
    Goodman if he had any message for Villanova fans.”Can’t wait, can’t wait to
    get there [and] they can follow me on Twitter at @SavonGoodman,” the City of
    Brotherly Love star said. “I can’t wait . . . I’m excited to be a Wildcat.”  <<<

  • Rick19

    Part of me feels badly for the kid.  Maybe he started worrying about making the academics.  Maybe the JVP thing scared him off although that was several months before he made the comments that Barney posted above.  But there is no doubt that kids like this are under almost constant pressure to go here, go there, lots of offers for things that may or may not be within the rules.  All of this lines up to be very difficult for these kids to keep things straight in their own heads.

    But, one of the first things about growing up is to be accountable and live up to and keep your word.  We all put these guys on such pedestals they think the rules simply don’t apply to them.  So now let’s work out a plan to pay players a stipend above and beyond their scholarships.  That should really help matters. (note the heavy sarcasm here).

  • Vu1965

    criminal justice, liberal arts, and communications majors seem to be the favorites among BB &FB athletes…I would never suggest that these kids are majoring in engineering or finance but, the majors that they gravitate towards or valid disciplines of study.

  • dj86

    This is bad…we lose a captain and then have a de-commit from a 4-star player who feels he can do better…at a team ranled behind us….sping it how you want, but we are losing talent…JW better outperform this year…

  • Barney Rubble

    Armwood was ineffective and unproductive and got outplayed by freshmen on the trip so he knew his minutes were in jeopardy   He was just named a captain with other juniors from his recruiting class and then quit the program after a week in Europe.   Was he in charge of picking the room assignments in the hotels or did he choose where to eat team meals?    Because otherwise he did absolutely nothing as one of multiple captains of the team for only a handful of days.

    There is nothing to spin about a kid who quits on his AAU team, quits on his High School and then decommits from the college that he verbaled to a year earlier. That is Savon Goodman and those are are all decisions he made recently.

    And getting a decommit from a player who is academically challenged like Goodman just saves Villanova having to drag him into the school a year later.   So you are really overemphasizing the loss of a talented forward for the 2013-14 season.  
    I guess Villanova is supposed to be immune to this happening when not a single school in the country can avoid it.    NC State loses Torian Graham, Maryland losses Justin Anderson, Providence lost Ledo and is now trying to get him back under a new Coach. 

  • Spot ck

    Barney,
    WOW!! WOW is right,it stinks!!

  • Spot ck

    100 %!!!

  • dj86

    Okay, I didn’t realize we were aspiring to perform like NC State, Maryland and Providence…feeder schools for overseas basketball…but I guess our recruits have figured that out….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Sorry buddy, but you’re missing the bigger picture.  These isolated incidents represent addition by subtraction.  Again, I wish them both well — this is for the best for all parties involved.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Less than not at all likely.

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