Expansion Apocalypse: What to expect when you are expecting (a decision)

Posted by Brian Ewart on April 7, 2011 · Under Article, Big East, Football · 188 Comments 

At some point over the next two days, Father Peter Donohue and Trustees Chairman Terrence O’Toole will need to sit down and discuss their recommendations regarding the football program’s proposed upgrade. At the end of that meeting, they will make a phone call to Providence, during which, they will advise Big East Commissioner John Marinatto of their expectations for the outcome of the Board of Trustees’ vote on the matter, which is scheduled for Tuesday.

All of that will have to happen, because if Villanova accepts its invitation to play football in the Big East, John Marinatto will be one of three officials present at Tuesday afternoon’s press conference (Along with Fr. Peter and O’Toole). If Villanova declines the offer, there will be no need for the Big East commissioner to be present.

Though it is unlikely that every board member will agree on the matter, the majority’s vote will likely be reported as unanimous. Regardless of the decision, there will be a press conference on Tuesday to make the announcement.

What about PPL Park?

The two biggest questions that we are awaiting answers were whether Villanova could raise the money to fund an upgrade to the Football Bowl Subdivision, and whether the facilities at PPL Park are sufficient for that purpose.

As we reported earlier, the University of Pittsburgh had been voicing some displeasure with the choice of PPL Park as a venue for Villanova football after the new year. Despite that, the Big East has no official stadium capacity requirement for football (though the average capacity is 52,896).

The smallest stadium in the Big East conference, Nippert Stadium in Cincinnati, has an official capacity of around 35,000. PPL Park was designed to be expanded to seat around 30,000, which is close to that capacity. However, no expansion will happen unless the Philadelphia Union (who control the facility) approve it — and the last thing they (or the MLS) want is a half-empty stadium for soccer games.

That said, the expansion was planned from the start because it was always the intention of the Union to eventually play in a larger stadium. It is ultimately a matter of the timeline that would have to be worked out.

So, what about the money?

Money was always central to this decision. Right off the bat, the football program will require a new $30 million dollar indoor training facility with weight rooms, lockers, offices, academic support centers and other amenities common among Big East and BCS-level programs. Frankly, the current state of Villanova’s facilities is below the standards for even the best FCS programs.

In addition to that, there would be increased expenses during the 2012 and 2013 transitional seasons of around $5 million in each year. Those increases would not necessarily be cancelled out by an increase in revenue since those seasons would be played, essentially, as an independent.

The Trustees and Development staff have been reaching out to donors to raise the money needed to fund an upgrade. Recently, they approved an exception to the standing rule against accepting contingent donations for programs that are not in existence — the rule that caused checks sent in by Villanova Alumni earmarked for “Big East Football” back in September to be returned uncashed.

They have been quietly reaching out and accepting contingent donations from “heavy hitters” over the last few weeks.

The amount pledged and made available is the subject of rumors still, but some sources are indicating that the amounts so far have been significant. It should be no shock to anyone if the money for the move is there on Tuesday.

What else?

Other than the venue and money, the last two issues are the school’s dealings with the conference and the vote itself.

Regarding the conference, my sources (one of whom is Father Peter himself), have stated just that, there are “a few issues to be worked out,” with the Big East. As for what those issues are, we don’t know exactly.

PPL Park is likely a part of that equation, as will the financial deal between Villanova and the Big East once the school enters the conference officially in 2014. Perhaps most importantly would be any scheduling arrangements in 2012 and 2013 and the financial payouts that might be awarded as part of that.

The Big East could easily assist Villanova’s transition expenses by asking it’s football members to schedule the Wildcats in either 2012 or 2013 in a “buy” game. One-0ff games with no return date typically cut the visiting team a six-figure check, with the quality of the opponent determining the amount of the payout. A visit by second-year FCS program Georgia State to the University of Houston in 2011 will cost the hosts $300,000, for example.

That is all speculation, of course. All that we do know is that Villanova administrators have been, or will be discussing whatever specifics of the arrangement need to be hammered out with the league office this week.

So, lets pretend it’s April 12th…

A source close to the situation has relayed to VUhoops that the trustees in favor of this move currently have enough votes for the measure to pass on Tuesday. That news was, of course, pending the results of the discussions with the Big East as well as the final fundraising push.

President Fr. Peter Donohue will also make his recommendation to the board when they assemble, and it is expected that his recommendation will carry much weight with the Trustees — though it is unknown exactly how many would be swayed to change their vote based on it. Fr. Donohue is reportedly stressed about the situation and it is unknown exactly what he will recommend.

Some members of the “no” contingent are reportedly unhappy with the way things have worked out so far. It is expected that they would attempt to use any late snags in the process to try and pull some of the “yes” voters to their side.

It does seem, however, that the University is very close to a vote in favor of moving Villanova football to FBS status and joining the Big East conference. It would be the first instance of a private university upgrading from the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly known as I-AA) since Division 1 football was split in the late 70′s.

Tune back in on Tuesday for coverage of the official announcement from the University.

  • guest

    fingers crossed

  • guest

    fingers crossed

  • ramon usategui

    What a big day for us it would be if the annoncement is that VU is going big time in football.I bet the applications would skyrocket, and maybe even some recruits will look more favorably upon us, even though there is no logic in that. I guess because they would feel they are going to attend a first class school in every way. Either way, whatever the decision is, our school will be affected significantly. It is important to understand that no decision this time is a big decision in itself, because many of us suspect that the Big East may at some point divorce the non football crowd.

    Let’s hope it all works out, and I do feel that indirectly, the decision on football will in the long run affect our basketball health and profile.

  • ramon usategui

    What a big day for us it would be if the annoncement is that VU is going big time in football.I bet the applications would skyrocket, and maybe even some recruits will look more favorably upon us, even though there is no logic in that. I guess because they would feel they are going to attend a first class school in every way. Either way, whatever the decision is, our school will be affected significantly. It is important to understand that no decision this time is a big decision in itself, because many of us suspect that the Big East may at some point divorce the non football crowd.

    Let’s hope it all works out, and I do feel that indirectly, the decision on football will in the long run affect our basketball health and profile.

  • Sandy

    Thanks Brian, great job. Who needs newspapers.

  • Sandy

    Thanks Brian, great job. Who needs newspapers.

  • AndyTalleyFan

    How can we better convince the trustees that FBS Big East Football is a wonderful opportunity? I want them to unanimously support the move up.

  • AndyTalleyFan

    How can we better convince the trustees that FBS Big East Football is a wonderful opportunity? I want them to unanimously support the move up.

  • NovaKid

    L…Although that would be a wonderful thing….even Christ had a desending vote

  • NovaKid

    L…Although that would be a wonderful thing….even Christ had a desending vote

  • Nervous Nelly

    Great job Brian… Pro or Con, we all appreciate your reporting on the issue.

  • Nervous Nelly

    Great job Brian… Pro or Con, we all appreciate your reporting on the issue.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    We have devoted a ton of time and energy to this story and I have developed some contacts that I don’t think the newspapers have.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    We have devoted a ton of time and energy to this story and I have developed some contacts that I don’t think the newspapers have.

  • Simple ’07

    I wish I had a few million dollars right now to donate and help the upgrade cause. I feel like with things being so close, a small set back (maybe the talks with the Big east do not go well) could have us voting no.

  • Simple ’07

    I wish I had a few million dollars right now to donate and help the upgrade cause. I feel like with things being so close, a small set back (maybe the talks with the Big east do not go well) could have us voting no.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Football is part of the college experience that a lot of kids don’t want to miss out on, whether they are recruits or otherwise.

    Not to mention that Villanova football has already garnered far more national media attention just by publicly considering a move to the big stage than they ever received from being an FCS power. Outside of Philadelphia, and a quick hit on Sportscenter (ESPN promoting their own product), do you recall many media outlets covering the 2009 National Champions?

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Football is part of the college experience that a lot of kids don’t want to miss out on, whether they are recruits or otherwise.

    Not to mention that Villanova football has already garnered far more national media attention just by publicly considering a move to the big stage than they ever received from being an FCS power. Outside of Philadelphia, and a quick hit on Sportscenter (ESPN promoting their own product), do you recall many media outlets covering the 2009 National Champions?

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    It will be reported as unanimous, if that helps. The hardcore “no” voters are unlikely to budge on that position, however.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    It will be reported as unanimous, if that helps. The hardcore “no” voters are unlikely to budge on that position, however.

  • Hardcore fan

    Hardcore would be a “yes” vote. Alas, I have no vote.

  • Hardcore fan

    Hardcore would be a “yes” vote. Alas, I have no vote.

  • Anonymous

    I’m pulling for this move badly…largely from a recognition and overall sports health position. I’m bracing for the alternative however…either way, I hope it’s clean. I hope we don’t turn it down and find out later about some funny business behind the scenes.

    While I’d be disappointed staying put, I assume that those charged with this decision share my love for the University and have better information than I do. Assuming those 2 points, I’m prepared to accept their decision.

  • Anonymous

    I’m pulling for this move badly…largely from a recognition and overall sports health position. I’m bracing for the alternative however…either way, I hope it’s clean. I hope we don’t turn it down and find out later about some funny business behind the scenes.

    While I’d be disappointed staying put, I assume that those charged with this decision share my love for the University and have better information than I do. Assuming those 2 points, I’m prepared to accept their decision.

  • Robberbaron9

    So, if they move up does Andy Talley get fired, and they bring in a coach with Division 1 experience? Talley is fantastic, but I don’t know if his style will translate into Big East Football…

  • Robberbaron9

    So, if they move up does Andy Talley get fired, and they bring in a coach with Division 1 experience? Talley is fantastic, but I don’t know if his style will translate into Big East Football…

  • Gpraz

    I have posted my approval for this for 6 months. I have written letters and promised money and I am one of the people who wrote a check “For Big East Football.” Debate over. Do this or end up no….no… no….Holy Cross or St Joe’s. Do it NOW!!!!!!!

  • Gpraz

    I have posted my approval for this for 6 months. I have written letters and promised money and I am one of the people who wrote a check “For Big East Football.” Debate over. Do this or end up no….no… no….Holy Cross or St Joe’s. Do it NOW!!!!!!!

  • Gpraz

    In 1997 there was big time funny business!!! Hope it doesn’t happen this time. If it does I will be a screaming lunatic and “they” will not get a dime more of my money. If it is a no vote, i strongly disagree but I will remain a contributing football and basketball season ticket holder. Go the “shaky” route this time, I am done. I love my school but they are taking my money-I expect honesty and integrity. this is a Catholic University right?

  • Gpraz

    In 1997 there was big time funny business!!! Hope it doesn’t happen this time. If it does I will be a screaming lunatic and “they” will not get a dime more of my money. If it is a no vote, i strongly disagree but I will remain a contributing football and basketball season ticket holder. Go the “shaky” route this time, I am done. I love my school but they are taking my money-I expect honesty and integrity. this is a Catholic University right?

  • Trav2311

    did you really ask if coach talley gets fired? He brought that football progam to where it is today. He’s a winner why would this even be a question?

  • Trav2311

    did you really ask if coach talley gets fired? He brought that football progam to where it is today. He’s a winner why would this even be a question?

  • Fact

    Talley will guide the transition, and it’s believed that he will eventually turn the program over to Assistant Head Coach Mark Ferrante, his longtime right hand man. I don’t see him leaving anytime soon. How would his style not fit in with the Big East?

  • LBJ

    Any idea on details of the press conference? Time/location? Will Comcast or another local station pick it up?

  • Robberbaron9

    The speed and size of the game would dramatically change and I am not sure that misdirection plays would be as effective…also, recruiting has currently been geared to Div. IAA, does he have the ability to compete with top programs for blue chip prospects?

    Don’t get me wrong, some very nice players came out of his program who succeeded at the NFL level, I just think Division I is a totally different game…in my mind it’s like having Pat Summit take over the Tennessee’s men’s program and expecting her skill set in woman’s basketball to translate to men’s basketball…

    Just saying…

  • Gpraz

    Talley is unreal. A fantastic coach. As Brian points out in the article we have sub-standard facilities even for FCS. JMU, Delaware, William and Mary and incoming Georgia State and ODU blow us away. In spite of that he has had us at a high level of play for years. Produces pro talent on ocassion and some players have literally elevated the prestige and honor of the university. His high graduation rate, bone marrow program, and his ability to change from a high powered scoring machine with little defense to a more balanced offensive and defensive team which brought us a National Championship is amazing.He constantly finds “diamonds in the rough” players like Brian Westbrook and Matt Szczur and he will make hard decisions about players like starting Whitney in his soph year and benching an older more dynamic quarterback and still keeping that guy a team player!!!!. Hard to do. He not only can play with the big boys I am telling you the big boys will be getting a big boy surprise. This guy can coach.

  • Fact

    Andy Talley doesn’t call the plays and hasn’t called the plays in two decades.. The style of play isn’t the issue as it has adapted several times under his tenure.

  • Gpraz

    Hey lets all meet at Kelley’s!!!!

  • Gpraz

    Brian you are AWESOME!!!!

  • Simple ’07

    From my point of view, I will be greatly dissappointed if a no vote occurs, but like you Gpraz, I will keep contributing to the school as I have in the past but the school will lose out on the additional donations I planned on donating each year if the upgrade happens.
    However, if in the future, our basketball team suffers bad consquences that I feel was a result of us voting No on football Tuesday (i.e. Big East breaks up in 5-8 years and we are left in a mid-major conference), I will most likely no longer support the Villanova. Now my feeling may change down the road, but that is how I feel at the moment.

  • dom

    You are a good man. What would we do without you.

  • Simple ’07

    I heard Pitt is having a pep rally at Kelly’s Tuesday for their football team, so that is a no go.

  • Robberbaron9

    I’m sold! So, how many years of losing will it take to make us competitive at the next level?

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Talley’s staff studies I-A offenses and defenses in the offseason to learn how to improve tactics. Nova’s offense is essentially built on the same philosopy as one at Mizzou and is similar in some ways to those at Oregon and Auburn.

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/mar/27/a-better-ground-game-for-mu-hands-down/

  • Gpraz

    Simple if you have not read “Season in Purgatory” a book about Nova football, do so. I continued to buy season tickets and give money after UConn moved up to FBS and we stayed put in 1997. I am a corporate sponsor of football. When I read that book and contacted a few people involved at the time I was mad to be honest. The reasons we didn’t were insane and I feel used.
    This time the stakes are higher. No way the football powers in the Big East with TCU joining are going to “tolerate” giving millions to DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, for basketball especially when their teams never make the postseason. Georgetown and Villanova are a different story. Villanova joining solves a lot of problems for the Big East. I will eat my shoe at Kelly’s, no make that a football, if the Big East basketball league has the same member in 2013.!!!
    If the decision is NO this time I hope and pray it’s legit really legit. It wasn’t last time. It wasn’t when the fools cancelled the program in 1980!!

  • Nervous Nelly

    You must be kidding.

    Coach Talley is one of the reasons I favor the move. His leadership on and off the field are exemplary, I just hope he is training his replacement…. unless he plans a “Paterno”.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    As soon as I get details, I’ll let everyone know.

  • Gpraz

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Gpraz

    Brian your link above just confirmed my post above about the changes Tally made. good stuff!!

  • Gpraz

    Ok write this down, print it out, record, facebook it, Tweet it. First year in Big East we go 4-7. Second year 5-6, third year 6-5 and first Bowl Game.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. Funny how that view doesn’t translate quite as cleanly down the hall though…

  • V for Victory

    Reasons I’m worried about this vote:
    1) The success of mid-majors in the NCAA tourney may make them think that you don’t need to be in a power conference to make a Final 4…flawed logic, as I think this year was the exception not the rule.
    2) There are enough Catholic schools to actually form a Catholic League, which might appeal to some who like that identity and fear a culture shift on campus…I personally like the identity of a BE power, and only wish football wasn’t an afterthought on Saturday afternoons while I was on campus.
    3) G’town will not be playing FBS football, so as long as we stick with them we will be fine…not sure if this actually comes into play, but they are arguably our closest rival and the BE school that we most closely share an identity with. And I think most people would welcome a new football rivalry w/BC!

    Reasons I’m not worried:
    1) The overwhelming evidence that moving up will give the University a greater national presence and continue to move it in the direction that they claim to want to go in.
    2) Show of support from Alumni.
    3) Andy Talley has proven he is a winner, and that the football team can succeed at the next level.

    fingers are now crossed…

  • guest

    I agree with everything you said. This might sound strange if you live in the Philadelphia or New York area but I’ve known many people who considered the quality (or existence) of a school’s football program as one of the main factors in where they applied for college. A lot of people have the attitude of “who needs 1A football when we have great basketball and NFL teams?” But those people have no idea what they’re missing. And to the people who say “I don’t want to move up because we’ll just get killed by Pitt and WV every year,” first of all you’re wrong. We won’t be good enough to run through the league right away, but we’ll be good enough to catch some powers by surprise. And secondly, the people who complain about that don’t go to the games now anyway.

    Teams from the ACC, BIG 10, BIG 12, and SEC all lost to FCS teams last year alone… something to think about…

  • Gpraz

    Right on brother!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/novahoops0304 kjm

    Dark Horse in all of this – Atlantic Coast Conference

  • Millon deFloss

    It’s being rumored that West Virginia is looking for a suitable partner for a jump to the ACC, or the SEC, either Syracuse or Louisville.

  • V for Victory

    Interesting…I don’t see why the ACC or SEC would look to expand when they already have divisions and a championship game, unless ND or Texas came calling. Both conferences were quiet during all previous talks, so there’s no reason to think they would look to expand now. That’s just 2 more teams to split the $ with, and not to mention ‘Cuse and L’ville don’t help those conferences in football, and WVU isn’t as great as they probably think they are. I don’t see WVU going anywhere until the B10, er 12, er whatever it is now, decides it wants to expand and takes Pitt. This is probably the ramblings of angry fans blowing smoke in an attempt to sour the Nova upgrade…

  • Junior07

    thanks for the reporting on this…you have kept me on top of a topic I would have otherwise no access to in terms of info/updates…so thank you

  • BB

    I linked into VU hoops thru an ESPN link. I am a WVU grad. who lives in the Philly area. I would love for VU to join the big east in football…I’d go every other year.
    I just am not sure playing at the Unions stadium would create that college football atmosphere everyone would be expecting. Is there any other considerations for a stadium location?

  • tPat

    Agree with BB…Union stadium will not give the college experience. This one makes NO sense to me. We are at the top of the FCS, we will NEVER be a contender in the FBS. (Too small). After a few years at the bottom of the BE, students will stop making the trip to the stadium, the program will continue to lose money, and the team will drain from other programs (like basketball). Besides, who knows the future of the BE (did not look that good in b-ball this year), and it may be better to join another league over the long run.

    As a visible top FCS, we will continue to attract interest from a) players looking for a small school, close to home, where they can stand out to scout, b) to students, who can walk to the game on a Saturday afternoon, and to c) alums who like to see the team near the top of the (any) league.

    This is a mistake. Our (collective) ego does not need this. (I give a pretty good check each year and will stop if it goes through).

  • GPraz

    PPLPark appears to be the only option at this point. Radnor-the location of Villanova will never allow a stadium expansion and the roadways and thruways would not be ideal.
    The Linc has Temple “locked in” for now with the Eagles.
    Franklin Field is really showing it’s age and is not a good location to get to from Nova.
    So PPL Park a short drive from Nova is ideal.The stadium owners and City of Chester already have approval to expand the stadium. I am a Union season ticket holder. This is a great stadium.if you go there and imagine addtional seats it would be a great football stadium. Nice club house,excellent field, great site lines. boxes, awesome tailgating,river view, and it will be LOUD.
    If Nova built a new stadium one would only hope to have one this nice! On TV a Big East game would be well received there and look great. In fact except for the size which can be expanded I have been to Pitt, Rutgers, Morgantown, Linc, Boston College, Maryland, Delaware-all college stadiums and PPL Park and I would be proud to see a Big East game there with Nova in it.
    Thanks for the support!

  • tom 97

    Fr Donahue is a nice enough priest. I had him as a theater instructor, but he isn’t a sports fan. I’m hopeful that he doesn’t put up a strong fight to maintain the status que. A catholic basketball league woudl be a joke. Finially, when is the big east going to tell notre dame to either play football in the conference, or get out?

  • BB

    I think the big east is afraid to tell ND to play football or get out, ND might go to the big ten.

    Maybe the PPL/Union park will work out for a stadium, but for the students to have to drive there is something to be concerned about. Granted I went to WVU and you wouldn’t want any of the students driving before or after games. But I do think it’s kind of important to a college stadium at the college.
    Is there room for tailgating at PPL?

  • GPraz

    Reading your posts again I do see your point.Everyone I speak to and they include people”in the know”in college football all back up what the sagarin ratings show. The CAA is not only the best FCS league in the country but is actually comparable to a mid-major FBS league.The skill players easily compare to Big East skill players. The difference is depth.It’s finding more players that Nova already gets and that’s a bit harder than some think. Talley gets players recruited by FBS teams but they may not play until Junior year. He can sell winning, playing NOW, and the education. Can he get players willing to wait like the big boys.?? Thats the challenge. By the way and I am not “blowing steam’ if every team in the big east sent their 10 fastest players last year to a track meet with Nova of those 90 players several from Nova would have finished in the top 15 in the 40 yard. Check it out our offensive line would have been the second largest in the Big East!

  • GPraz

    So you will stop supporting the school if they move up to try something better and that’s when they need you the most? Not being saracstic or insulting because you are entitled to have an opinion and are a Nova supporter-except you will “bail” if we play Pittsburgh at PPL Park???. He’s my challenge fax me a copy of ONE playoff game you attended the last two years, a copy of the national championship game will do, and tell me where your season tickets are.!! Additionally ,prove to me you have actually been to PPL Park. Before you bail show you are actually are a supporter. I find this opinion from those who never go, don’t know Nova stadium stinks, that PPL Park is great and realize that we are 10 times bettter than UConn when they joined and they had a winning record in a couple years… Drain the basketball money? hey dude already happening to the tune of 4 million a year!!! Joining the Big East will cost LESS and possibly make money and by the way we would have beaten Rutgers and Lousiville with our team last year You have to go… to know!! sorry . PS.. students don’t go to the games.!!!!!.They want Pitt,Syracuse, UConn, Louisville they don’t get excited about Towson, Lehigh, Penn, Rhode Island, Bill and Mary…
    Bowl game within 3 years of joining….Mark it down April 7th 2011 or visit me at the 50 yard line at PPL Park and tell me I was wrong.
    I hope you change your mind and give-and go-to find out how good this coach and team is…

  • GPraz

    Tailgating HEAVEN!!!!! I will be there tailgating before the Union game this coming Saturday.They have closed lots,tents etc
    It would always be better to be on Campus but it is not a lot different than many colleges around the country where the stadiums are a few miles away and I’m sure other arrangements will be made to getstudents there.

  • GPraz

    Hey BB the first thing I said when i walked into PPL Park for a tour 1.5 years ago was ” wow this would be an awesome place for Villanova to play football.” I never imagined all this would have happened

  • GPraz

    Hey I heard he was not a big sports fan but man you could have fooled me.!!! I went to Cleveland for the opening round B-Ball game and he was cheering, motioning to the band etc he and looked sick after the loss.
    I still don’t know how Notre Dame got to be an “associate” member of the Big East just to play basketball.What has it done for the Big East? I don’t see any advantage. They keep getting better take the money, and keep all the football stuff for themselves. I rip out their team picture and Tournament pictures from every program I buy.

  • GPraz

    You know on second thought after reading your post why don’t you go root for St.Joes. No football team and a losuy basketball team that plays in a “minor league” more suitable for your taste. Hey you wear crimson and white by any chance?

  • V for Victory

    I don’t know if anyone else has watched a Union game on espn2, but I have and I thought the stadium looked great! The Pavilion is small, but on tv they can make it look larger than it is…they will do the same with ppl.

    Talley will be able to recruit good FBS players…eastern PA has powerhouse football and I’m sure some of the players that leave to play elsewhere would be excited to play the same schools they’d play at Pitt or WVU, but only close to home where friends and family can go to every game.

    Students don’t go to the games now at the on-campus stadium…yet they fill out the 20,000 seat WFC in south philly several times/yr. Make no mistake, when there’s a game they WANT to see, they will take a shuttle down the blue route to watch it. And alum will be more excited about going to games as well, as indicated by the surveys they sent out.

    The future of the BE is in doubt, which is a reason to upgrade if you like having a perrenial top 25 bball team and a school that’s been raising its academic standards year after year because of its popularity. If the BE folds, not having an FBS team dooms us to mid-major status instantly!

    Not sure what college football experience you’re in love with at the current stadium…

  • V for Victory

    I’m also sick of the great ND using the BE for its own benefit. They should just join a conference for everything or be independent for everything.

    Not that they need any more bad press after the sad incident during the football practice, but ND has also had some other shady shady dealings this past year with supposed cover-ups of a football player rape and a couple suicides…it’s gotten some press, but I guess the administration really tried to cover it up. Lots of people in the ND community are sickened by their administration right now.

  • guest

    tPat,
    you are completely out of touch if you think students are more drawn to a talented FCS team than a mediocre Big East team.

  • Alfie

    Thanks for the support BB.

  • Alfie

    OK guys, let’s do this thing.

  • GPraz

    So TRUE!!!!!!!!!!

  • Alfie

    One final thought before i retire for the evening. I live in Atlanta, and I have to admit I’m amazed at how much the Georgia State program has improved since year one. They were pretty pathetic this past year but have a bunch of good new recruits and transfers, plus a very good coach. As someone said about VU in an earlier post,it won’t be this year, but give them a few years and they will be in a bowl. Seems like when you raise the bar, the program gets better.

  • BB

    Good luck with it…I love college football. Go Mountaineers!!

  • Main Line Mike ’88

    I said that a long time ago. If Big East implodes, Nova and G-town should seek to go to ACC.

  • VBHA

    This is one of the most rational blogs I’ve seen on this subject. We would be fools to think we can compete at the D 1 level without a stadium, a large endowment and a large fan base. It’s fun to fantasize but it’s only a fantasy. Villanova competes for students against Lehigh, Holy Cross, Richmond, Bucknell, Boston College, and Georgetown primarily. BC is the only one playing big time football and our applicants really don’t care about that. They do care that we have a top engineering program, a highly rated business school and excellent programs in Arts and Sciences and Nursing. Who wants to see us play South Florida, a school of 40,000 students and no renown, and lose by 49-7? We’ve seen this movie before and it had a sad ending in 1980.

  • GPraz

    Hey V eg of my college experience at Villanova stadium? ready…..Park on side of road,get ticket from Radnor Police. Try to have a couple brews and a sandwich but chased away from lot with my buds by security and…Radnor Police.No tailgating!!!!! Go to game, watcha great Brian Westbrook play…..Colgate. ahhhhhhhhhh Killed them boring. Stand up a halftime and my ass is frozen and my legs stinging from METAL BLEACHERS.Tried to get food but never made it. tried to leave with friends and told no re-entry.Left with 5 minutes left and had to take a wicked urination.No Potty’s this time! hey, no choice had to use the tree .Mind you I was a grown man.Get to car.Blocked in by two other cars also with tickets.Finally crawl down Lancaster Ave to Blue Route.Arrive home in NJ 5 hours after game time.it was so loud in the stadium…i could hear the opposing coach speaking to his players.Wow what a college experience that was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • GPraz

    Note Villanova vs Delaware Basketball 12,000 Wells Fargo (CAA FCS Rival)
    Villanova average attendance vs Louisville,Maryland, St.John’s,Georgetown,Syracuse 18,000 That’s a 50% increase in attendance!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Savage/100000345856958 Jim Savage

    Funny you should mention that. In 1981 the Board met and voted to drop football without notifying some football supporting Trustees. Kind of like Caphias covening the Sanhedrin without telling Nicodemus or Joseph of Aramethia. Or not. But your point is well taken

  • GPraz

    Let’s see 1980. OK
    No ESPN. No ESPN 2, NO ESPN 3
    Prism a local cable channel. Now Comcast with 90 % penetration and two channels in Northeast US.
    No Fox network, No WB network, No Vrs network.
    No Big East Network
    21 million attended college sporting events across country.
    Only the 9th year college basketball championship shown live on National TV 32 team NCAA
    Cable TV in only 15 % of US Homes.
    4500 attended NOVA
    Villanova played in Eastern Eight Basketball League in a 3300 seat “gym” and UOP Palestra
    Don’t recall any player telling me he went there strictly for Engineering, Biology etc
    TV Contract for NCAA tournament (last year) of 67 million dollars. Average Bowl game payout 45,000 dollars
    22 Bowls games
    Veterans stadium for football and baseball and Spectrum for pro basketball.

    2011
    ESPN, ESPN 2,ESPN3, ESPN 360, ESPN Gameday,ESPN Classics, ESPN U
    Comcast, Comcast network, Comcat Regional Sports ,24 hour sports coverage!!
    Fox, Fox Sports, WB, CBS College Sports Network, TNT, TBS,True TV Sports, ESPN News
    College Live Streaming,
    Big East Network
    159,000 million attended a college sporting event
    40th year of NCAA Tourney on TV ratings up,68 team field.
    Cable TV in 91 % of all US homes
    10,000 attend Nova counting grad school.
    Villanova plays in prestigious Big East. On National TV 14 times.
    Plays at 6500 seat arena and 6-8 games at 20,000 set Wells Fargo (ave 18,230 over 4 years)
    TV Contact is 2 BILLION!!!!!for NCAA contract and will be 2 Billion for BCS games
    Big East contract to expire and rumored to be in hundreds of millions
    Average Bowl game payout 367,000 -17 million for BCS game
    55 Bowl games
    Veterans stadium and Spectrum ripped down and three new stadiums built.

    Poll taken in 2006 by GO indicated college sports and social atmosphere were the second most popular reason schools selected. academics first right? wrong COST #1
    No facebook,no on line fan clubs, NO ONLINE,no IPod, No sport APPS, no DVD, No HD,No cell phones.
    Greater Phildelphia popluation 2.1 million (1980) 3.2million(2010 est)

    Seroiusly 1980 was ancient history in terms of sports and american social life in general.
    Different world.
    1980?

  • GPraz

    Hey meet you at the Nova-West Virginia game at PPL Park!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Savage/100000345856958 Jim Savage

    Tulsa, a private university, competed in the MVC until 1986. The MVC was a 1AA Conference, although Tulsa played a mostly 1A schedule, and may have been accorded 1A status.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    “Where they can stand out to scouts”

    Has any Villanova football player from the FCS era been drafted who wouldn’t have been drafted otherwise? Lets be honest: Attending an FCS school has actually cost players like Brian Westbrook and Ben Ijalana in the NFL draft. Pro scouts are always skeptical about players from FCS schools.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    There will be a shuttle to take students to and from the stadium.

  • BarneyRubble

    Congratulations to the Villanova Habitat for Humanity group named as the #1 HFH university chapter in the country. Fr Peter was ecstatic tonight in describing their achievements.

  • Kemba-time

    Hey guys, a UConn fan here. Good luck with the vote. BTW, we play in Rentschler Field with 40,000 seats, about the same distance from campus as PPL is from yours. Doesn’t matter. It’s still a fantastic game day experience. No comparison to FCS. Don’t worry, You’ll find your way to Chester, tailgate for hours, watch some great football and wonder what the heck took us so long to get back to the big time. Welcome to the party. Go Big East!

  • BB

    I’ll be there Gpraz…I was at the Nova vs. WVU basketball game this year in Phila. Nova kicked our butts…but I think it was the last good game Nova played.

  • AndyTalleyFan

    Thanks for keeping us up to date, Brian. This is the best place to find out what’s going on.

    I went to Villanova in the late 80s with the hope of the football team playing in a 1-A conference before I graduated. So, I waited 25 years for this!

    I think Fr. Donohue is a good man and he’ll make the right decision which will increase our university’s nation-wide prestige and overall future earnings.

    I’m sending a check tomorrow for eight season tickets. Hopefully, in a few years I can get 50-yard line seats at PPL park two-thirds of the way up on the north, sunny side.

    Let’s all pray for a good weekend.

    Matt

  • Colt

    That’s the single most important stat ever presesnted on this blog with respect to the FBS football move.

  • Colt

    I was at that basketball game this year too and it was the last good game of the season. :(

    It was also the cleanest game as far as Philadelphia fans I’ve ever been too for any sport. And I’ve been to see every pro team and most D1 basketball teams in the city. I didn’t have to explain the meaning of any words to my kids once! It was a legit gentlemanly/family experience, way different than the old Vet days of Philadelphia sports.

  • Anonymous

    Just a little side note not on Big East Football: In the first round of the PIT(portsmouth invitational tournament) corey stokes shot very poorly(3-17) totaling i believe 9 or 10 points. Corey fisher shot 3 of 10 and 2 of 3 from 3pt range. He did however have 10 assists in the game. The two will face off in the next round of the tournament. http://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/bracket3.php

  • Gary McLain’s Ski Lodge

    I’m a Nova alum and a big fan of ND because of my family history. I agree that ND should be kicked out of the Big East, but it won’t happen. And I don’t think they should join a conference in football.

    By the way, it wasn’t rape. The football player touched the breast of a girl who had huge emotional problems. She had a history of emotional issues and shouldn’t have been sent away to school by her parents. Not condoning the actions of the football player and I feel terrible about her subsequent suicide, but you have have to get your facts right in this case.

    Also, stop trying to stir the pot and create cover-up stories. You are coming off as a fool.

  • Anonymous

    It’s one small step for Villanova, one giant leap for Championship Attainment.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    The 10 assists are more important to Fisher in impressing scouts. His goal is to make the NBA guys believe he can play point guard. A bad shooting night is somewhat unimportant, he spent his entire college career proving that he could score.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Did he take a jab at Notre Dame by noting that #2 was “some small Catholic school in South Bend”?

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I don’t think the distance from campus will ultimately be a problem. The size of the stadium is of concern, however, but in the long run, I am sure that it would be expanded.

    At least in some respects, UConn’s move was a model for how Villanova can succeed. It’s not entirely analogous, of course, but there are a few points of comparison that are relevant — and the key to the whole thing is the Big East.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    …and a lot of people only went to the UDel basketball game because they were forced to byy the ticket in their package.

  • BarneyRubble

    “we are not trying to be south bend, we are not trying to be chestnut hill, we are trying to be the best Villanova that we can be. We have the power to change the world by following our own path.”

    And then Fr O’Reilly snorted out loud.

  • Anonymous

    True, but Stokes on the other hand has to have a good shooting game tonight if he really wants attention in this tournament. Also for predraft tryouts do teams invite individual players or do they attend different sessions with coaches and scouts? I thought it was the individual team that invites, but not sure. -Thanks

  • Tommyboy

    My son got to see some places in this country that are certainly on the path less traveled thanks to HFH. Oh, he also learned how to use a hammer.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Haha. I loved the computer mock-ups of what they want to do along Lancaster Ave. Much nicer looking than a giant parking lot.

  • V for Victory

    I wasn’t trying to stir the pot and I am defintiely not trying to create anything, just relay things I have heard firsthand from people who are currently associated with ND and are on campus enough to be considered credible. Those words were theirs, not mine. You’re an admitted big fan of theirs, so maybe you don’t want to believe the truth.

  • Gpraz

    Hey that’s a good recruiting tool ” come to Villanova for football so scouts can see you” OMG
    “You will be seen 4 times a year on local TV with rating of .5 Share.” “Those other players will be forced to showcase their talents at the University of Pittsburgh on National TV and Regional TV for every game. That’s terrible”
    Brian -Chris Bowden talked about how he had talent equal to many reserve quarterbacks in NFL but because he was a bit small and played for an FCS team no one would look at him. he was forced to the Arena football league where he actually played well.

  • Richard ’90

    In response to the argument that Nova’s enrollment is too small to support a FBS/Div. IA program, consider the following enrollment figures:
    Nova as 6,335 undergraduate students.
    Stanford has 6,940.
    Texas Christian, (2011 Rose Bowl Champs)has 8,536.
    Boston College has 9,200.
    Notre Dame has 8,371
    (Source: Daily news poster)

  • Nervous Nelly

    Welcome to VUHoops and congrats in your season….

  • Bill ’77

    Notre Dame … the Villanova of the midwest.

  • Gpraz

    Want to see something funny. Look at stubhub for the pre Big East games at the Pavilion. Many tickets posted some BELOW face value. Look at the empty seats at games such as Lehigh, Boston U (500 empty seats at least), UMBC, Bucknell, Delaware, etc people don’t go to these games they sell, give away or “eat” them waiting for the “real games.” I don’t go to around 2-3 games a year. Can’t bring myself to leave work early drive for two hours from Jersey to watch Nova vs Navy!!!! If I can’t sell, give em away, I stay home sometimes. Put Villanova vs Providence or Rutgers or even Temple I’m there… including blowing off work!
    Hey Colt u r right my friend this constant anecdotal evidence every years proves the attendance doubles or tiples with the competition. Average 8000 for football translation 24,000!

  • Gpraz

    Did you have to bring that up!!!???? lol

  • Gpraz

    “I’m filing a formal protest!!! College should be for education only!!!! None of this sports D-1 stuff and debate team, and bake club, and young republican club, habitat for humanity, chess club ROTC, Library club etc. I say get rid of all of it”
    signed “Sports Don’t Matter in American Universities Organization and Professors United Against Anything non-academic”

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Tulsa has never been considered an FCS/IAA program, as far as I know.

  • Gpraz

    This is why you guys do everything right!! BCS game in football. National Championship in Basketball and semis in Womans’s B-ball. I knew your stadium was a bit far from campus. My wife and I always liked the UConn fans over the years. Knowlegeable!!

  • Gpraz

    Hey i got those 8 on the 50 yard line. Keep your paws off my tickets!

  • Gpraz

    But we are extra small people and we can’t drive to a stadium that’s more than 1 mile away and we are all broke and penniless and we prefer watching Towson sitting on metal bleachers, bad astro-turf, bathrooms without heat, and almost no tailgating……..stop making sense we are too small….. little poor catholic people who only care about chemistry….leave us alone lol lol lol

  • Gpraz

    Maybe if we can get 600 more students we will be OK!!

  • Colt

    If one looks at it from a business perspective than it revolves around the term “product”. What is a more marketable and higher quality product, FCS or FBS football? To say that an organization that improves its product isn’t going to realize an increase in benefits is absurd. The question is does the improved benefits received outweigh the costs required. Most arguments on this blog against the move are that Nova football benefits will remain static (ie, an increase of 0). To say that an improved Nova football product isn’t going to recieve an improvement in benefits received (number of fans, price for tickets, conference payouts, more student applications, increased student selectivity/tuition, etc…) is absurd. The best conversation is the cost-benefit analysis of the options on the table, rather than the slandering/pumping up of the Villanova/Philadelphia college football fan base.

  • http://twitter.com/MackNova Mackenzie K

    I doubt they let students bring beer onto the shuttles though.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Don’t forget Wake Forest — or TULSA!

  • Gpraz

    NEWS YOU CAN USE (shout out to Colt!)
    Attendance seems to be the “third rail” when it comes to discussing the move up. Amazing how ancient 1980 pre cable, pre megabucks era, is used as “proof” no one will come yet the same people can’t explain why an average of almost 19,000 people have shown up for Wells Fargo basketball games the past 4 years (excluding CAA friend Delaware which of course did not draw ) Wells Fargo is much farther than PPL Park from Nova. So let’s examine attendance from around the country for some conferences. From published 2009 stats NCAA: Average league attendance:

    MAC 15,317
    Sun Belt 16,483
    WAC 22,749
    Conference USA 26,100
    Mountain West 33,202
    Big East 44,303
    The MAC ,Sun Belt, and WAC all had teams BELOW 15,000 average but no mention of any NCAA “kick out” No team is discussing or thinking of dropping down to FCS. In fact if anything they want to join a Big East BCS league if anything.
    If we are getting 19,000 for basketball, football a much more “fan interest” sport in general during regular season, you can bet we can get 25,000-30,000 a game.
    By the way you should check out how incredibly low basketball attendance is for MAC, Sun Belt, WAC etc. football draws more even for poor teams.

  • Duane

    The single most important word in your post is “BASKETBALL”. We are comtemplating a football move and it would be best to think down the road a few years. I think Tpat is more right than wrong. I don’t think you quit on your school but, after the honeymoon period is over, it won’t be fun or attractive. Honestly, do you envy or want to be DePaul? Rhetorical question, I know the answer.

  • Duane

    There is a reason he didn’t mention them. They stink, which makes the counterpoint.

  • Anonymous

    well maybe not his ENTIRE college career:)

  • Anonymous

    Don’t be too short sighted…Our move to FBS won’t survive it. Wasn’t Wake in a BCS bowl not too long ago? Sign me up for that kind of stink…

  • Gpraz

    Yes they stink. AND they draw more to football games than Nova, get on regional TV more than us and broke even money wise.

  • Gpraz

    Wake Forest- a private university the approx size of Villanova drew 30,400 fans as an average this year. In a populace area one fourth the size of Philadelphia. Think just maybe the BCS ACC and basketball rivals had anything to do with that? maybe?

  • Koz 67

    I started out negative to neutral, but I’m convinced. Thanks for all the comments.Koz 67

  • Sandy

    Another board is reporting that there won’t even be a vote. The decision is out of the BOT hands?

  • http://twitter.com/Philanova06 Andy

    Can we get a link or something?

  • GPraz

    I guess you have an open mind.!!!! I would not be so for this if we were joining just any FBS league. In fact I might be against it.But an invitation to the BCS Big East where we have our highly rated and recieved Basketball team and play all other sports? I am not only in .I’m convinced beyond belief!!

  • tPat

    Not sure I agree Brian that UConn is a similar model. They have TWICE the undergraduate class, TWICE the number of alumni, and limited financial risk as a state school.

  • SWhitepartyof8

    Ditto with Old Dominion football here in Virginia — new program; very competitive after only a few years…

  • tPat

    I support the school because they make good financial decisions (generally) and not for the football team. Most students don’t care if they are playing Rutgers, Pitt, etc. They want the experience of going to a game, without too much haste. Alumni want a chance to get back on campus and meet with old friends. Both want the team to be competitive.

    If the team does not fill the current (weak) stadium on-campus, what makes you think that people are going to get on a shuttle or drive 20 minutes to go?

  • GPraz

    Only one problem-the students don’t go!!!!!!!The stadium stinks. my wife is jumping for joy that we can play at PPL park after 25 years of using a bathroom without heat and sitting in metal bleachers! The students pack it at Wells Fargo for basketball so why do you think they won’t go to PPL Park which is half the time and distance?
    Let’s see15 to 20 minutes to a modern state of the art facility with tailgating and national TV broadcast with Villanova playing Pitt or Syracuse or 5 minutes walk to a crumpled, open air, metal bleacher, no tailgating, one non heated bathroom, poor sound system stadium with Villanova playing Rhode Island,.Towson,Penn.on radio.

  • NovaFlyer

    A friend once said: Money is no object…so if we want to be big time we join, if not we retreat. 10 years from now the cost will not matter, trust me.

  • GPraz

    That’s a good point. Actually we are going to fall behind at the FCS level. All the schools in CAA have upgraded. Richmond bilt a new stadium, JMU expanded their’s, W&Mimproved their stadium and upgraded facilities. Delaware added stadium upgrades. ODU is joining with a nice set up and on and on. Stay still at FCS and we will be spending 5 million before long—-hence going in retreat as you say!!!

  • TJ

    GPraz….you make great pts. I still go back and forth with this. Its a huge leap of faith. Perhaps we can get Jim Tressel as an assistant…..You had me at Tailgate Parties.

    With Notre Dame reaping the benefits of the Big East, they should be required to play us every few years (at least to help a fellow Catholic school out). A game at the Link would be huge for our exposure. Here are some other great regional rivalries/non conf. games (home and away)…..Navy (another huge following…a game with a flyover, Midshipmen in the crowd would attract a big crowd, and I’m biased as I am an instructor at USNA and grew up a Navy fan), Maryland, Temple (obviously), Penn State, Army. Sorry, just getting a bit excited.

    I think w/ Talley at the healm, he can lead us to sustainability and ultimately success. I think we are lucky to have both Talley and Wright…two stand-up individuals who are great role models for the student-athletes.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I think he’s referring to VUSports.com — I haven’t read their article. It is behind a pay wall.

  • GPraz

    I thinkI gained perspective by actually going to games not just at NOVA but Rutgers,Pitt,Temple etc.I read a lot and I blog and interact alot.I actually mentioned a few years ago to people that we should move up. I saw the growth and money go upwith the BCS formation.I began to notice the football powers slowly begin to become basketball powers.Simultaneous we suddenly found ourselves in a really good FCS league with tremendous players.I could not tell much difference in the speed, size, and overall quality of play when watching Rutgers, Cincy etc.
    Seeing that the Big east wanted and neded to expand the football base it was obvious the solution was us.I know we will be competitive. the players in this area will go to Nova.In south jersey alone around 10 players every year go to FBS teams butmmany consider Nova.Now we get them.Combine all this and the only two things missing were funding and stadium.PPL Park solved oneof those and I strongly believe the alumni will open their wallets.I will and have!!
    Bring it On!!1 Big East rules!!
    Your rightthere are interesting gamesthat can be scheduled every year. Wecan still play Delaware and that’s a sellout. Temple can eventually come to play us. Another sellout. Navy, sellout.A Bsoton Collge match would be interesting and draw very well.
    Another thing i noticed at Rutgers.The Big East shools travel very well for football. Remember the games are saturday not during the week likeB-ball. A Rutgers game I attended that West Virginia there must have been 4000 WVU fans there.
    I would not be surprised if every game sells out the first few years.right out of the gate.

  • GPraz

    I don’tseethe Notre Dame thing anytime soon although that would be football heaven.Our good friends at temple locked upthree of four years playing them.I don’t think they will play usright now. But the Big East angle of getting them to help us by playing us in order to preserve the Big east basketball as we know it, is an angle that could be used.can’t say they would though.

  • Doctorfeelgoodes

    i sincerely hope that whatever decesion is made, it carries the wisdom of incorporating some upgrade to the hoops facility. this is the face of vu.

  • Ljac10

    THIS IS GOING TO BE A FINANCIAL DISASTER FOR VILLANOVA… AND AN ENORMOUSLY PAINFUL LEARNING EXPERIENCE for a small private faith-based university — compromising your values. SUSTAINABILITY IS THE DOWNFALL. WHAT HAPPENS… WHEN THE HONEYMOON IS OVER?… When the music dies down, the story goes back to page-8 news in a city full of Pro franchis, other programs… and all the initial excitement… is over? The model isnt what you do today— its what you MAINTAIN. The largest most well-financed universities struggle to maintain competitiveness in both sports. What happens when this drains the financial life out of the Villanova basketball program(?) as it goes from the focus to second place— in its own university. SUSTAINABILITY. That is the nightmare which should be keeping Villanova officials up — every night. Sometimes it is good to know who you are — not be forced into a struggle over who you aren’t and stay true to the characterisrics which make Villanova great.

  • GPraz

    Since when is winning in athletics contrary to our values and mission??.And the Augustinians have a budget and run the “church”like a business! In fact they started a program to train peiest how to run a church financially!!! It’s starts now.”compromising your values” WHAT We pay Jay Wright over a million a year, gladly take the millions from NCAA playoffs and spend it on other sports and spend 4 million a year on football already and gladly appeared on National TV 5 times the last two years marketing out great program, Matt Szczur, the bone marrow program etc.If Wake Forest,TCU,Northwestern,Stanford,Boston College,Duke,can do it and loss LESS money than us and actually make money and still maintain their values and academic reputation why can’t we??
    I see this opinion and read it once an while and I always make the following challenge.: Show me you actually support the football program by going to the games or contributing money.Prove it.
    I bet you can’t because you don’t.
    I do,I go,I contribute and I care.Wait until the same 20,000 fans who pack the Wells fargo Center for basketball show up and join 10,000 others on National TVfor a game against TCU. We will lose lessmoney,get on National TV to sell ourselves-and our mission, receive more applications,join alumni together and show the country how great our team and coaches are. I promised 5000 dollars per year and iwill purchase 8-10 season tickets and I know others doing the same.This will not fail becasuewe intend to support it……will you?
    Lastly,we don’t do this Jay is leaving and our basketball program will suffer and end up in a nonfootball leagues. Why do you think the Big East brass flew down to formally invite Nova to join ?they know and i know as well as others where allthis is going. If you want to stay where we are you might want to start watching Drexel,VCU, Delaware etc because that’s where we are headed.

  • GPraz

    hey one other thing. READ the Villanova mission and plan. Nowhere does it say “we want to remain a small faith-based university” No where! And by the way many non-christian, non catholics attend Villanova and graduate (Ed Rendell,former gov of PA). does that compromise our values also? Did Brain Westbrook and recently Matt Szczur compromise our values as they were talked about 365?

  • Colt

    GPraz, It’s a shame I can only like you once…

  • TJ

    Ljac…hasn’t been staying in FCS been financially painful? One only has to see a major change in the athletic conference landscape….it was this time last year that the landscape almost dramatically changed, but thanks to Texas staying in the Big 12, it just slowed the momentum for a bit. (Which in a way worked to our benefit, allowing us to study and research the whole picture over the past 6-8 mos.)

    The writing is on the wall. Stay where we are, and become irrelevant, or make a move, take some risk, and pray, donate and support, support, support (Wear your Villanova Football shirt to the gym and baseball game). We as alums can and will make a difference in this move.

    I support what GPraz has said on this board. He has motivated me to make a few more donations and buy some football tickets when the move is made (and travel out of my way) to make a few games w/ some of my local Villanova friends.

    I believe in Villanova exceptionalism. Like it or not, FBS in a major conference helps support that image in a major way.

  • Delurey2

    I am hearing the Big East FB schools will have the final say to our entry. Can anyone verify the accuracy of that … I heard this was stated by a BOT member but cannot confirm.

  • Sandy

    I have a similar question as delurey2. Even if Nova decides to move up, is the final approval subject to the say of the 8 BE football schools? Rumor has it that there is a call between Nova and the other football schools, prior to the BOT vote, outlining the plans for moving up and the plan gets an up or down vote by the BE schools. This makes no sense. The criteria should have been established prior to Nova spending money and time on the process. Either Nova will meet the initial guidelines or they can’t. For Nova to find out that the criteria has changed once established by the BE seems a stretch.

  • guest

    why do you assume we won’t be a better team by the time the honeymoon excitement is over? Go on ESPN and look at the recruiting classes for the “good” teams in the Big East (UConn, WV, etc.). I was surprised to see that the top players they are bringing in are rated very similarly to ours. the only real difference is that their classes are much larger. If only there was a way we could pull that off…

    I’m getting the sense that there are a lot of people posting on here that haven’t watched Big East football lately. The conference is not very good, at all. You realize UConn lost to Temple by two touchdowns? WVU was supposed to be the best in the conference, and they got embarrassed by a mediocre NC State team (which finished 3rd in the ACC Atlantic…woohoo!) in their bowl game to the tune of 23-7. Pitt managed to actually win a bowl game, but before that their best out of conference wins were Florida International and New Hampshire, and that program can’t even keep a coach.

    And it’s not like there isn’t competition for basketball in Philly too, but people still pack the stands for our games, because (usually) we are a talented, winning team.

  • Anonymous

    Are you telling me the BE football schools weren’t consulted PRIOR to extending Nova an invite? That makes no sense.

  • Koz 67

    “The largest most well-financed universities struggle to maintain competitiveness in both sports.”

    As in who? Are you saying that they lose even more money?
    From what I see, you can have more support for a decent team that is in a big time league than for a great team in a small league. Spectator sports is about excitement and emotion.

    For those who think Georgetown should be our guide, I predict in 10 years GU basketball will be a shadow of its former self. The word here in DC is that it is already in decline and living off the past, no kidding. If our future B Ball prgram hinges on St John’s and GU, I am not optimistic.

    Unfortunately, I think college sports is now “go big or go home.” Koz 67

  • dom

    Your make good points, but I feel you always have to try to expand your horizons. The coach and the team deserve this shot. I personally feel the board will reject this opportunity, which in my mind is a gigantic step backward. Agree, there is financial risk, but nothing we can’t make up if the situation doesn’t work out the way VU wants it too. I hope we do it, takes a lot of courage.

  • Koz 67

    I have seen ODU and JMU stadiums. Our current one is not even close to those. You can freeze to death at a spring LAX game. So we will have to upgrade in any event. Going in retreat if still in FCS.

  • Sandy

    ChillCat, I agree that it does not make any sense. From the VUSports site, there a couple posts mentioning that Fr. Peter is for the move, but that the BE football schools have a conference call Sunday with Nova to discuss specifics.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I believe that they will present/submit their plan (or have already done so) to the football schools and league office.

    That said, I don’t think that those schools really “vote” on the plan as an “in or out” sort of situation. They can do things like ask for a guarantee that Villanova will play in a stadium of 30 or 40 thousand seats by a certain point in the future or ask for some other change in the plan (maybe they could ask that Nova begin the transition next season, instead of 2012).

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    They were consulted. There is very little chance of them trying to block Villanova on the basis of “we don’t want those guys.”

    They, however, haven’t seen all of the details of the move. PPL Park was maybe a thought in their minds, but not necessarily a “lock” as the ‘Cats venue back in September.

  • dom

    Brian, what is your gut feeling on the upcoming decision?

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Dom: I’m getting that question a lot. I’m cautiously optimistic right now. There is a possibility that the Big East football schools could throw some wrenches into the works, but I have some doubts that the process would have gone this far along without a reasonable belief that the plan was acceptable.

  • Joe71

    You make a number of excellent points, and I agree with you that there is way too much downside risk to moving up. One additional point is worth discussing: attendance. I’ve been watching VU football since 1967, and was in the stands in 1985 when the program re-started. I attended Parents Weekend each of the last 4 years, and the on-campus stadium wasn’t filled at any of them on beautiful September afternoons or evenings. We filled half the Linc when we played Temple this season. Where are the additional fans going to come from, particularly if we play way off campus? We need to put the money we’d otherwise spend supporting a fiscal drain into improving the basketball facilities/program. Plain and simple.

  • TJ

    Just want to add some questions to the discussion…..

    What if the “glass is half empty” predictions come true? What if we get a tepid response from students and fans, and only a few thousand show up to games? Lets say we go 1-10 for 3-5 years….even w/ all this, aren’t we still making out better financially then what we do now? Aren’t we losing over $4M dollars a year now w/ a top rate FCS team.

    Even w/ a hypothetically speaking, bottom of the barrel team, we’ll still get a share from the Big East BCS pool. Not that I want this to happen at all, but I just want to point out that even in a worse case scenario, we are still doing better then we are doing today (financially speaking) to ease some of the worry.

    2 other items: I’m watching the MLS game at PPL…never been there, but it looks nice on TV.

    Also, thoughts and prayers to Steve Lavin….just came down w/ prostate cancer, but will be back to coach.

  • Fact

    I LIKE TYPING IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE AN EMOTIONAL POINT THAT HAS NO BASIS IN FACT

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    In the Big East everyone gets a share of the TV revenue that is left over after every team has been paid an “appearance fee” for having their games broadcast. Same thing with the bowl revenue.

    Based on that, you get paid a lot more money by being good at football than bad. It’s the same story in basketball.

  • GPraz

    Colt “liked” accepted. I love your “emotional-less” analysis with your earlier post. If you break it down strictly as a business discussion this is a no brainer.No way we “lose’” more than the 4 million we are spending now. And I put “lose” in quotations because one minute in the prescence of guys like Matt Szczur, Ben Ijalana, Ray Ventrone, Brian Finneran, Brian Westbrook etc and you realize it is worth it.These are not just great football players they are great people!

  • GPraz

    Guest don’t know who you are but I’m telling you that National Championship team would have gone 8-3 playing in the Big East.UConn the Big East champion lost to a Temple team that we went 1-1 the last two years playing at their home stadium. Amazing how people don’t understand how popular Nova is in this town!! Good post!

  • GPraz

    Ready guess how many BCS teams “lost money” ??? Ready …..2 Guess how many FCS teams lost money…..don’t know it’s over a hundred!!! plus 100!!
    You darn right it’s go big or go home.

  • GPraz

    OMG where do 20,000 come from in basketball???? Every team in the Big East draws more for football then basketball also.
    I do agree though we need basketball upgrades!

  • GPraz

    NO BASIS OF FACT. NONE 7000 showed up for a Lacrosse game between Nova and Syracuse?? You were lucky to see 300 fans watching them three years ago when we were not in Big East. We went to the NCAA playoffs and less than 1000 went. Moved to Big East….here come ye’ole’ fans!

  • GPraz

    Three points.
    I like the consideration to “worst case scenario” We will be competitive fairly quick so we will not be embarrassed.If the attendance doesn’t happen like we believe we will no doubt loose much less than 4 million. The TV contract is up and expected to go way up (more money) we get share of all Bowl games played , In fact it can actually be better NOT to go to a Bowl game at times and just take the share from others teams. Also with the addition of TCU to the Big East will get a BCS games as locked in but also may get additional money from a “better bowl”(more money).
    Botton line “worst case”will be OK
    PPL Park just went yesterday.I am a Union Season Ticket holder. i must be careful because I am a big fan and attend “private parties” etc.PPL Park is almost perfect for us. It looks great on TV,unreal locker rooms and facilites and can be expanded.I can say Nova is more than welcome by the city of Chester and the park. i can’t say more than that. trust me we are welcomed!!!!
    Lavin. sad to hear that.Classy guy. hope for the best!!

  • Sandy

    The 8 BE football schools plus Notre Dame are voting this afternoon on whether to have Nova as a BE partner. BE Constitution and by-laws allow ND in the process. Rumors have it that Pitt and Rutgers have several objections (not surprised at Rutgers since Nova would be their major recruiting threat).
    Pitt does not like PPL park and 18,000 stadium. I would find it incredulous that ND would have any objections. Although why would they have scheduled Temple knowing that Nova would be moving up? Not sure on any of the other schools.
    If anyone hears anything on this afternoons vote, please pass it along.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    GPraz: All but two FCS football programs reported a loss.

  • GPraz

    Sounds strange taking a vote on something that everyone has known about since September2010 ???!!
    Like an earlier post how would it be possible to have all this time,energy, and money spent by everyone at Nova to find out a “potential rival” Pitt and rutgers doesn’t like our….logo or something!? Weird this has to be just a curtesy.Could have expected the vote last October. right/

  • GPraz

    Brian I knew that didn’t remember how may teams in FCS!!!. I know 1 FCS team to not loose, App State. Who is the other? Delaware?

  • GPraz

    Hey Joe where is my seat at Villanova Stadium? I have been a season ticket holder for 25 years and I keep getting metal bleacher seats.!!! My wife wants to know can she please request a toilet in a heated bathroom with some privacy??. Also can you please tell me where to park? And while I’m at it please, please tell me where I can tailgate and put in a good word for me with the Radnor Police who ticket my car and tell me and my buddies with my wife we can’t have a beer or two and and a sandwich.
    oh I can’t hear the sound system.do we have one?And where is the video board and game stats ?I have been looking and can’t seem to find the darn thing. The hot dogs are cold also and the coffee stand is always packed.Why can’t I leave and come back in after halftime like they do at other stadiums and why do I have to use a porta-potty after i leave??
    Joe the stadium stinks It STINKS Ok IT STINKS thats why no one goes!!! and man that excitment of playing Lehigh, Towson, Penn!
    Someone suggested maybe we should play our games ay Upper Darby High School.

    31,000 at Villanova vs Temple two years in a row while the Phillies were playing at 5 and 6 in the evening on labor day weekend is bad attendance? ?

  • GPraz

    Hey TJ that’s really cool that a few posts on a blog can get someone to contribute.i wish they call me and allow me to do this in person. Nothing ever worthwhile or great comes without dedication and hard work.

  • Colt

    PPL did look great on tv yesterday. It was also a pretty good game!

  • Colt

    I could see us going ACC if the BE scoffed in the 11th hour after all the crap the school went through to get to this point. Pitt and Rutgers are sounding all obstructionist Tea Party on us…

  • Joe71

    GPraz: wasn’t there a movie about a cornfield that had cars lined up for miles? What was the tag line – - oh yeah, “If you build it, he will come.” Sorry, couldn’t resist. I agree that the stadium stinks. But I don’t think that the students and their parents (again, think Parents Weekend) decide not to go to the game because of the quality of the facility. They are already on campus (or nearby) and at most schools parents, and students, wouldn’t miss the game. My point is that I don’t see how we can attract sufficient fans to make the gate collections cover our game day expenses, much less the costs of running a big-time program. And there are dozens of items on the strategic plan in which we should invest before proceeding down this road. I love VU sports as much as anyone, but I’m a realist and I’m concerned that moving in this direction will negatively affect the mission of the school, instead of advancing it.

  • GPraz

    Actually it indicates to me they believe in us more than some of our own people!!!They are worried about us joining? A good sign!!!

  • GPraz

    Joe71 Once again “if you build it they will come” Actually that is more true than not. Philadelphia Union is a classic example. Selling out every game. Nova Wells Fargo games average 18,400 per basketball games.12,000 at Nova Stadium for football and 19,000 for basketball that’s miles away and difficult to get to.WHY? Better product (Big East), better stadium,parking,facilities food etc.I have 8 season tickets to football and no one wanted to go to parents weekend!!. Actually when the parents weekend happens I know people who actually stay away.The stadium stinks as you agree and a big crowd makes it painful. I donated some tickets.
    To be honest I felt exactly as you did up until around 3 or 4years ago. When i see the changing landscape in college, our role,the footballpowers taking over, and needs for us, I started to re-evaluate things.Two years ago there had to be 5000 fans in Maryland for a basketball game.We don’t have to be Texas and this is not 1980.Some of the parents at parent weekend didn’t even know our team won the national championship, and for some from Boston and New York they had NEVER seen us play. We are never on TV there.
    Andy Talley already has a mid-major type program.the Sporting News said “competitivness will not be a problem for the Villanova’s program”. The CAA has beaten 7 FBS teams in 3 years ALL on the road.!! Matt Szczur and Ben Ijalana would have been the two best players in the Big East THIS year.
    You should talk to current students.They are pumped!!!
    25,000 per game is a no-brainer.A few wins and we can get to 30,000 which wouuld be perfect for us and by the way that would mean around 26 FBS teams would be drawing LESS than us.
    By the way TV money,Bowl money are more important then attendance.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    I don’t believe Notre Dame has a vote on internal football issues, only on the conference’s position regarding proposed NCAA Bylaws affecting football.

  • Colt

    I didn’t look at it that way at first, but that is a good sign!!! I wonder what got up Pitt’s a–? I can understand Rutger preferring Temple to Nova as the Philly BE football school. We will CRUSH Rutger’s recruiting with a 1A product to offer to recruits…

  • Colt

    Joe71,

    Not to denegrate Nova fans and students but how many kids drive Beemers to school? I certainly didn’t, but I was in the minority. It’s a bit of a stretch to say that when offered a real stadium and real football team rather than a poor high school stadium and second tier football team, that more people aren’t going to show up.

    I see the strategic plan getting a boost by the nationally recognized FBS conference affiliation rather than being hurt by the additional cash flow and publicity. One must ask one’s self, what strategy is the strategic plan truly pursuing? If it is to be the best, then one must try to be the best. Or are we trying to be kinda good within the suburbian Philadelphia market?

  • V for Victory

    Maybe the BE schools wanted to get a heads up of what the answer on Tuesday was going to be so they could have UCF as a backup to save face in case we say no? Some people may think it looks bad for the BE to invite a small Catholic school, but how bad would it look for the conference if we actually said no? Would any other BCS conference have to worry about a school declining an offer to join their conference and get a piece of the BCS pie? I’m sure the other BE schools have a contingency plan already and want to know if they’ll need to implement it before the public knows.

    If the BE says no, but the university says yes, what happens then? Do we go independent until someone wants us, or do we just scrap the past 6 months of studies, fund raising, and excitement? I think that would be more disappointing than the board just voting no…

  • V for Victory

    Joe71- if we invest all our $ in bball facilities and don’t upgrade football, in 10 years we’ll have the best bball facilities of any mid-major bball program in the country! Does anyone want to see this happen right now when we have a first class coach and a top 25 program? And forget about the strategic plan if bball and football take a hit because the plan will come to a halt when students stop applying in record #’s, alumni donations drop to even worse rates, and we don’t have the best advertising of all- Jay Wright’s good looking face on national tv several times a year! The current stadium and opponents are the only reasons why we can’t draw attendance…we all know this because we all went to school here and heard people say that they’d rather watch real football games on tv than watch our team…almost all of my friends rooted for other schools’ football teams more than ours…and when I was there BWest was running wild every weekend and still no one cared!

  • GPraz

    Look right now Pitt should get their own house in order.A ton of problems there.I can’tquite understand they not wanting to play at PPL Park. Their fans can get there.Travel is less.they expose their product in Philly and South jersey and they must think at least the first few years they will beat us.My thoughts are if PPL Park is the issue it really is NOT the issue. I think they had no problem with it until recruiting went on and suddenly recruits were listing Nova as a possible.They didn’t expect that.On the other hand reasoning must take over because travelling to Central Florida is no picnic. Also we sit acrossth table from them in the Big East already. Could you just imagineif Father Peter, BOT, and the university were ready to do this and it gets derailed by Pitt?

  • guest

    I think this past season’s team was even more talented, at least on offense. Even with all the injuries and the terrible playoff travel they had a very real chance to win it all. 6 lost turnovers is never helpful. I’m still bitter about eastern washington…

  • AndyTalleyFan

    I heard that there was near unanimous approval from the BOT in favor of this move up.

    It’s very awkward now. I guess 30 years in the conference doesn’t amount to much.

    The Big East schools may be conspiring to get Temple in for all sports. They want to play at the Linc again. Without being a state school, we may lack the political influence with the city.

    Let’s try to stay positive though.

    Vince Nicastro has my full faith and confidence. He’ll be able to work this out now.

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