The Burn is Offensive

Posted by Brian Ewart on March 15, 2011 · Under Article · 92 Comments 

This season saw the unveiling of Jay Wright’s version of the “burn” offense. It is by-no-means a new creation in the sport of basketball, but in the shot-clock era, it has rarely been a signature of successful teams.

The burn became notable last season when Luke Harangody was sidelined for an extended period, and Notre Dame was seeking to adjust in a period without their top scoring threat or much depth to speak of. Mike Brey’s solution was to slow the game down to a crawl — his guards would run down the clock and only shoot once their were only a few seconds left to do so.

Villanova has, to some extent, followed that blueprint this season. Particularly during the absences of key players, such as Corey Stokes and most recently, in the second half of the South Florida game when Yarou was sidelined with injury and other players got deeper in foul trouble.

The burn offense requires extremely efficient shooting to work. In their upset of Pittsburgh in late January, the Irish made nearly half of their field goals from behind the arc. When Notre Dame was winning with the burn, it was because of the lights-out ability of players like Ben Hansbrough and Tim Abromaitis (they also use some very effective screens to help those shooters stay open).

When teams do not have a stable of snipers on the court, however, the burn offense only serves to make for less-efficient offense.

The South Florida game was a story of two halves: the first a more traditional attack, while the second was a clinic in the failings of the burn. Villanova spent the first half driving and penetrating, kicking the ball out to Stokes on the perimeter, and scoring in transition. The second half saw the end of any ball-movement as Villanova’s guards dribbled at the top of the key until the shot clock ticked down to 10 seconds.

With ten seconds on the shot-clock, there is no time for artful ball-movement to find an open shooter. Rushed offense often results in contested shots and turnovers, and rarely results in points. Shot clock violations are a staple of the burn offense — preferring to take a chance and hand the ball over to an opponent, rather than give them an extra 10-15 seconds to play with.

In fact, with so many missed-attempted in the burn set you take your chances on the boards. Shooting a lower percentage means you give your opponent a running start at your defense on every possession, rather than allowing your defense the luxury of getting set after a made basket.

Villanova has had very few successes running the burn. Seton Hall was a victory, but hardly a glowing success. Had it not been for an extraordinary shooting night from freshman James Bell, the burn surely would have failed in that game as well. In fact, even Notre Dame has had it’s stumbles with the junk offense, losing to St. Johns, Marquette and Kentucky when the burn coincided with poor shooting performances.

The burn is no more a reasonable primary offense than the triangle-and-two is a reasonable primary defense. It’s role for most teams should be similar to the victory formation in football — a way to end a game painlessly in the waning seconds.

When used for more than a few minutes, the burn will only burn away your team’s chances to win.

  • Roamer00

    The USF game showed how successful our attacking offense was and how poor the Burn offense was. Jay tried it…it failed…..now attack, attack, attack.

  • TC’87

    Why would we ever attempt this strategy when we can put Fish, Wayns, Stokes, Cheek, Bell and Pena on the floor and burn our opponent instead of burning ourselves?

    Heard JW say yesterday that losing Mouph during USF game was a big loss. But does that loss necessitate the burn BS? Hey, I’m not in the locker room, but I’m having a hard time understanding these decisions.

  • Rick19

    What about the games where Mouph sits for large portions of the second half for no other reason than coach’s decision? I really think Jay thinks too much and over coaches at times. Everyone talks about this team having a confidence problem. Maybe that’s where it stems from.

    Let them play on Friday Jay.

  • Jimdribble

    Rick ,I totally agree with your comment. Jay sat Mouph for most of the second half many times. I think the burn is horrible for Nova. It is a type of offense you run if your team executes well in the half court and we do not. It is about setting screens and depending on players who can also shoot from the outside. Having us do the burn is like having Ryan Howard bunt it just does not work and is not using your talent at all.

    There is a piece in the Inquirer on Corey Fisher today and how he has not taken charge. This is what I have been saying all season even when we were winning. There is also another piece on Armwood and he talks about “the Villanova totem pole” and how everyone waits their turn. I feel this is another problem with our team. I mean where would Cory Joseph be if he came to Nova? At Texas he started with us he would have sat like Bell has sat.

    Also in the paper Bruiser Flint talks about how to beat Mason. He says you can outrebound them and you should play big. I agree. Many times Jay changes to fit the opposition instead of playing to Nova’s advantages.

  • Nova

    Or the type of offense you run tied, with shot clock off.

  • Robberbaron9

    The only time that Nova should have run the Burn, the way they ran it, was game two against Pittsburgh…if they want to slow it down, run the offense through the center…Mouph looks for open guards before putting it up (sometimes I wish his instinct was to jam it home!), so I think an offense could bu run through him…

    Anyhow, now that it is tourney time, and the team is hopefully healthy, I think Jay will open it up and let the team play to their strenghts…

  • DW

    Since the team’s strategy has been: “…Jay Wright’s version of the “burn” offense….” and the conclusion is: “… used for more than a few minutes, the burn will only burn away your team’s chances to win.” we can conclude that the teams failures down the stretch are the sole responsibility of one person.

    A scathing, yet accurate, critique.

  • Stevie V

    Ask Bill Carmody of the Norhwestern WILDCATS how to run the burn.

    They have no talent and they took Ohio State to overtime last week and lost a tough one point game to them about six weeks ago.

    The whole team is involved in the burn….. not 2 guards at the top of the key passing to each other for 20 seconds and then start a one on one move to the basket with 10 seconds to go on the shot clock

    ….constant motion, back door cuts, switching match ups via screens, dribble drives and wide open threes are the features of the burn if you know how to run it

    Sutton and Armwood can not play in this offense as they are week passers, dribblers and cutters without the ball ………..and they can not shoot.

    4 guards and Mouph can run the burn

    BTW …. NW game films are available

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GTEMBTZ6DEPVJVVE2FCGH5CU74 Bailey

    I think I’m fine with a burn offense, just not the way it’s been done thus far. The guards need to get the ball to one of the big men under the basket. Robberbaron is correct, Mouph is too timid to jam it home, which is where our other guys (Sutton/Armwood) can really shine if Jay gives them plenty of minutes — they will prove themselves this weekend, and in Newark.

  • MarkA

    I did watch parts of the OSU/NW game. And I agree the offense can work. It can work for us if (and thats a big if) everyone touches the ball and when the guard turns for the basket he goes by his man and hits the cutter. That would mean some passing to people like Stokes and or Cheek which has been rare when we implement the burn offense. BTW isn’t this just another form of the Princeton offense? Let’s stop over analyzing this thing basketball is a simple game make shots and you win miss and you watch.

  • Fact

    agreed.. the burn has no place in the shot clock era. an actual half court offense would be a nice alternative.

  • Voice O. Reason

    Using the burn offense with this Villanova team is like using a thoroughbred to pull a plow. It’s just dumb.

  • TVillanovaC 86

    Rommel said it best, “ANGRIFF, ANGRIFF, ANGRIFF!!!”

  • Alfie

    My perspective as a fan, not a coach, is that the burn is ill suited to this team, as a lot of you guys have already stated. It looks like a last second add on to the offense that they are just not suited to run. The burn is a poor subsitute for the classic Princeton offense with all thos pretty back door cuts.

  • Hardcore fan
  • Jaeon

    We are 18-1 this season when we score 70 or more, with the only loss being the Rutgers debacle. Bottom line, slowing down the game and limiting our scoring opportunities is a turrible idea. The burn worked at Syracuse (because we we were hitting our shots, and even with our shooting display that day it still became too close for comfort up there), and can work intermittently when its really needed (i.e. up 14 pts with a minute to go), but otherwise it is GARBAGE.

    Looking at that 70+ stat, we scored 49 in the first half agains USF, then we turned on the “burn”, and we scored 20 the rest of the way and we all know how that turned out. Smh…

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    What y’all are discussing is the Princeton Offense, not the “burn.” Bill Carmody was an assistant to Pete Carril at Princeton before becoming a head coach.

  • Nervous Nelly

    A successful burn is best with five potential scorers on the floor. We are at a disadvantage when 6′ guards are the only players taking shots. I am confidant Jay has figured that out by now, and I suspect we will see very little, if any, of the “burn offense” against GM. If we “run and gun” we should be able to score 75 or 80 or more points on these guys…. they can’t keep up with that.

  • Hardcore fan

    Ok, now that we have settled the burn debate and beat GM. How do we beat OSU? We are not players we can look ahead.

    I am for letting Sullinger score his 20 and grab his 10 without us fouling him. Defend the inside out game by shutting down the outside shooters. On offense we push it at every opportunity and kick to the inside to make Sully play defense.

    The tougher question how do I safely get in and out of Newark?

  • Hosmerpj

    If we use the burn, we will get burnt. Nothing like having a bunch of talented players standing around looking at each other.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Downtown Newark is as safe as your living room.

  • Schaefer25

    The burn offense is for less talented teams trying to limit the amount of possessions per game, the thinking being the more possessions the greater chance the more talented teams will win. Nova has plenty of talent, I would argue probably the talent of a top 10 team.

    This offense should never be used until theres maybe 3 or 4 minutes left and a solid lead. I lost a ton of respect for Jay this year while watching this horrendous offense ruining several games down the stretch.

  • Guest

    About the most succinct description of the issues that JW has as a coach as I’ve seen. This is something I’ve never understood… the biggest advantage Wright-era teams has over 90% of their opponents isn’t skill — although in terms of skill, we are frequently superior. No… the biggest advantage is raw athletic ability.

    This is less true against teams like Kemba Walker’s UCONN, but especially against teams like USF or non-Big East conference teams (like George Mason?). So the question is, if our biggest advantage over teams is that we can just out-run them and out play them, why would we want to negate this advantage by slowing the game down? I never understood that.

  • DMC

    I haven’t posted on here in a while, but I’ve been reading most of the commentary. While I think I understood why Jay tried to use the “burn” on several occations and it looked like a good idea on paper, this particular group of players can not efficently run that offense. Several more knowledgeable posters have already covered what it takes to run that offense and why this team can not. With this group there is really only one way to win:
    1. Do not use the “burn” offense ever again (except when up 15 with under 1 min. remaining)
    2. Very rarely if every use the 3/4 court press (use the full court press when you need to change the tempo of the game (only sparingly as a change of pace), the 3/4 court does not do anything except get the players out of position on defense which leads to open 3′s or layups)
    3. Let ‘em run & gun and have fun. I actually saw some positive emotion and passion late in the first half of the USF game. They were having no fun at all in the second half.

    I’m with everyone else on here, let ‘em run until they fall over tired or foul out. If we play hard & fast the whole game (full 40 minutes) and lose, so be it. I’d rather go down in a blaze of glory with all guns firing away…

    Seniors, this is your last chance to solify your legacy. Go out, play hard, play fast, have fun, and win a few more games!!!!

  • Vinny ’06

    WHY is there so much love for George Mason….they haven’t beaten any power conference teams and their only big wins were to tournament teams in their own conference! Which they also lost to!

    I’m not saying will definitely win this game, but I don’t understand why George Mason is being so hyped.

  • Hardcore fan

    We have looked disorganized and completely clueless for a month. Plus this is the second year in a row that we looked that way. We should have lost out first round game last year and the refs actually bailed us out.

    It’s definately more hate on us than love of our opponent. Also, the stats seem to show that GM is the Notre Dame of whatever weak ass conference they play in. Who doesn’t like that style of basketball.

    Does our team even have a style of play anymore? You know what I don’t actually want anyone to answer that question. Ok, Bailey I will give you one more shot for your agenda.

  • Hardcore fan

    Yes yes yes. Let’s try to score 80 pts. Final Score 81-63 good guys. Book it.

    Vinny 06 I believe Vegas only has this as a 1 1/2 point spread with the bad guys favored to win.

  • HC fan

    Lately, you need a helmet to watch a VU game in my living room. I better go prepared.

  • TC’87

    JW on Mike Francesa radio show right now. Made some interesting comments:

    Team morale is high b/c everyone is back 100%. Prior practices not as good when looking on the sidelines and seeing one of your guys not particpating.

    Team confidence is very high. Practices have been good this week.

    They are not overlooking GMU. The players know they were beat last year in PR. JW knows they have to play well to win.

    JW said players are handling the adversity of a 5 game skid really well. They have remained upbeat even with all the negative press.

    JW admitted making some coaching mistakes. He mentioned playing Pena at the 3 and Armwood at the 4 was a mistake. He also said Fish was hobbled at the end of USF and he had Cheek in instead and that was not a good decision.

    Finally, he mentioned Nova’s ticket allotment already sold out by Sunday night.

  • BarneyRubble

    Gotta win Friday or it’s going to be a tough summer on the recruiting circuit. Jay has up to 5 scholarships for 2013 to start offering to rising HS juniors where we MUST land some bigs..
    If they go 1-2 vs the likes of George Mason, Robert Morris & St Mary’s over back to back tournaments, the Villanova reputation will be damaged. Opposing coaches will be pushing the idea that we are collasping every year down the stretch to a bunch of 16yr olds with short memories.

    RUN the athletes against GMU. It’s our biggest advantage going into the match-up. Nova had 10 days since the last game to be ready to run, run, run.

  • honey badger

    I don’t buy it. Win or lose this game Villanova is and always will be viewed as a top Big East program — the school’s reputation, its location near a huge media market, and the preeminence of the league in which it plays will still be huge draws for these kids. Seems like the fans have shorter memories than the kids.

  • Gpraz

    The burn made sense given the circumstances but our players are/were not good at it. Remember just two years ago Jay was complaining of high scores and needing a little more D. In other words they(the seniors) broke into the system that was a high powered run and gun offense completely guard oriented. I think to effectively run a burn offense you really need a guard who knows “when to go” and a center/forward like Ed Pinckney. A guy who can shoot over the D with consistency helps! It’s really fun like DMC says about the run offense but it is fun too when you can run slow down “burn” offense correctly. If you do it as bad as Nova has done it’s almost like getting a needle for a tooth extraction only to find the dentist is on vacation!!

  • Nervous Nelly

    I agree…. “run and gun” I don’t believe we are going down, but if we do go down with the guns blazing…. If we loose there is no tomorrow to save legs for.

  • Gunner

    Now THAT’s funny! I’ve been getting the room to myself a lot lately too! Great comment!

  • Gpraz

    I’m one of those ticket people and can’t wait. Cleveland….well someone tell me where to go?

  • Stevie V

    Brian….against OSU I guess you could call it the Princeton Burn because they used all the clock every time down the floor….. the point is, there was a strategy to score which involved all the players not the JW burn that essentially is a one on one game wasting 20 seconds.

  • Jimdribble

    I agree pushing the ball. I wish Jay would shock everyone and after made baskets push the ball. I swear teams would not know what was going on. Wayns is fast and good in the open court. Something is telling me that Stokes is going to have a good game Friday….He has a determination since coming back.

  • Gpraz

    On a prior post I pointed out that the three CAA NCAA teams “big wins” all came against each other!!!. Out of conference these three are 1-4 against Big East and Atlantic Ten teams and include ACC they are 2-5! The three of them have 5 wins against quality teams otside of conference, 4 of whom went to NCAA. That’s a weak out of conference win total. Nova has itself 4 out of conference wins against NCAA teams and is 4-1. (Temple, Bucknell, Boston University, UCLA.) They (all three combined-GMU,VCU, ODU) beat Clemson, UCLA, Wofford, Xavier. I have to say they may be really ,really good but how would you know? From them beating Drexel…oh….wait…they lost twice to Drexel. If we play are “B” game we should win.

  • Hardcore fan

    Plus the top talent seems to be choosing schools later and later. I would imagine the recruits would want to see the five incoming players games before they decided on a school, as these are the players that they would compete with or share time with on the court. The incoming group has a PG, SG, Combo Guard, SF and C. So the only position that should care is the PF but if Savon Goodman is still growing that might be filled as well in 2012.

    What needs/players are you looking to fill in 2013? I don’t think we really know other then center at this point.

    Yes, winning always helps.

  • Gpraz

    WOW didn’t know that! 70 points sound like the goal right?

  • Hardcore fan

    “Shock and Awe”. I like it. Let’s see the other coach call a timeout in the first few minutes for a change.

  • Cord

    Once again we do not run any offense at all in these scenarios let alone comparing it to ND’s burn. We simply stand there and let 25 seconds run off the clock and isolate our guards to go one on 5 at the end of the shot clock

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    When Notre Dame runs the burn, they rely heavily on outside shooting, which has to be “on” for them to succeed. The other thing is that even while you’re dribbling the clock down, you have to have some sort of action off-the ball to try and set up a shot so that you don’t just jack up contested jumpers repeatedly.

    Even then, it’s not the best system for most teams. Nova has one lights-out shooting threat on the court at a time, and sometimes no such threat. Notre Dame will have two or three.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    He said that practices were good before the USF game too.

    Pena and Armwood are both 4′s in my less-than-humble opinion. I like Pena’s jumper, but he really shouldn’t be taking shots near the perimeter or handling the ball. Neither should Armwood. Both can be beasts on the boards.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Notre Dame does a little bit more off-the-ball when they run a ‘burn’ but the underlying principle is the same.

    But yes, that is exactly what they have been doing, and it is a horrible strategy.

  • ramon usategui

    I see a lot at stake in this game. I see the sophomores being able to share what it’s like to win an NCAA game [last year's tourney is no lesson or experience for anyone] with wide eyed freshmen. I see four guys who will want to lead better than this year’s three seniors, and achieve more in the tourney. I see a group of new guys looking to the Fab Four for leadership, and here’s where some of that will kick off for next year. I would love to see a decisive win on Friday, followed by a real good game, win or lose, on Sunday. That would gibve the Fab Four a measuring stick to what it takes to be the number one seed in the tourney, and they can hopefully relate that to the new guys next year, who have to hit the deck running. Hopefully, Bell and Pinkston will also add passion to the Fab Four, so we can have a deep and hungry squad.

  • Scott

    For those looking for something to be optimistic about, I was looking at the latest betting lines on the NCAA tourney in tonight’s paper. Although NOVA is still a 1 pt dog to GM, here are the interesting lines. Nova is a 35-1 pick to WIN the entire tournament. Conversely, GM is only a 300-1 pick to win the whole thing. Other teams of interest include BYU, WVU and St.Johns all 40-1. Georgetown 50-1. Temple 100-1, Penn St, Old Dominion and Richmond all 300-1. VCU is 3000-1. Therefore, Vegas believes that we have the talent to run the table if we get on a run.

  • Hardcore fan

    Holy cow! Bailey you have found a friend. Who the hell are the fab four. If you are speaking of the sophmores, then at this point I much prefer Wayns and the Pips. Plus there are five of them! Who did you leave off your imaginary island?

    If you are referring to Fisher, Stokes, Pena and Wayns then as the most important players for this years tournament. Then at least I can think of you as knowledgable and sane.

    You should watch the games to completion and not just espn snippets or highlights. There was nothing fabulous or consistent with the play of four of sophmores!

    Wow! That koolaid is 180 proof.

  • Brickface

    more off-ball screens on this play than we get in a entire week. that’s why our “burn” offense doesn’t work.

    http://tlorc.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/notre-dame-successfully-screens-the-bottom-of-the-zone/

  • THE GUEST

    Burn my pubes! Let’s run around like chickens with our heads cut off!!!!!!

  • Alfie

    Jumping in late on this, but agree we should “run and gun,” in homage to Scottie. Nothing to lose at this point. We just look foolish running that burn, as the only ones we burn are ourselves.

  • THE GUEST

    Who the hell is Rommel and what the hell does that mean?

  • Sandy

    As a former player (not at Nova) I would not like it and would not go to a school that played it, as a fan I do not like to watch it, the burn is un-American. Americans play to win and expect a 100% effort.
    Anyone who likes the burn should watch soccer. The person above who did not know who Rommel was must have attended a Friend’s School or an Ivy League College.

  • Cord

    A little more??? They pass, cut, replace and get a layup or a wide open 3- both with 2 sec on shot clock. We just kill 25 and go with 10. It is ludicrous to call what we do any kind of offense. It is strictly take time off the clock and then try to score however which is often high screen and watch

  • gaparch

    You are a Villanova graduate and you do not know who Rommel is? Seriously?

  • THE GUEST

    Does this rommel ball for mason? don’t think so bro! so who give a blanking blank!? and you write like a dirty foreign guy playing in prison in turkey or some blank. shuddup.

  • BarneyRubble

    You don’y have to buy it, the Villanova Head Coach already owns it. ;)
    The Fans’ viewpoint has nothing to do with it. We are talking about High School kids heading into their Junior year being bombarded with offers from prominent teams. They often seperate the programs on their most recent success or failure. Here is what Coach Wright said in 2009 on the subject of recruits & their short attention span.
    >>> “It’s funny, the guys on our team right now, I just made this mistake a couple weeks ago,” Wright said. “I was referencing the (1985) national championship team and just in general said, ‘How old were you when we won it?’ And they looked at me and said, ‘We weren’t even born.’
    “Our practice facility, when you walk in, there’s a big screen where they play ‘One Shining Moment’ and they relive that run. And I hit the button everytime I go in there, so everyone who is behind me looked at it. They see it every day.
    ….In recruiting you can’t really talk about that every day because the kids only remember what happened two, three years ago. We talk more about Kyle Lowry and Randy Foye, the final eight team in 2006 and even that team, they don’t know. They know about Randy and Kyle because they’re in the NBA, but in recruiting, it’s a short window.” <<<

    It's a short window and we need to pull out of this nosedive if just for one solid tournament win so we can re-establish Villanova's direction. going forward

  • Tconklin7

    Forgot to mention, JW also said that Rollie just lost in the Final 4 of the NAIA, but was heading straight to Cleveland to meet up with Fratello at Joey’s restaurant. I’m guessing it’s Italian.

  • Alfie

    Agree with sandy. Play to win, not this mamby pamby b**ls**t! Enough already!

  • Dand4444

    What I did not understand is that it was bad. Really bad. To the point it hurt. What like 4 baskets in the second half? At what point does it hurt so much that it makes you stop? Ok, 5 minutes, it sucks let’s go back to our normal? 10? 15? How dense can you be?

  • Alfie

    BTW, thought sandy’s comment was well thought out. The Guest, on the other hand, sounded like a moron.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    C’mon Barney, I already read that post when you put it out there a couple of weeks ago. Sure, I get it, they are young and want the next best thing and 2009 was a long time ago. That is an issue, but I just don’t see it as a major factor when we are a great academic school, we keep making the tourney/post season, and routinely play on national TV because of our name and conference affiliation. I just don’t think a loss in the first round of this tournament spells potential disaster for recruiting in the offseason. I’ve actually spent quite a bit of time discussing this very issue — why the hell do all these kids keep coming to Nova for Jay? — with people closer to the situation than yourself. Stick to the long fact-laden messages and try to not repeat yourself so much. Having said all that, I still find you moderately useful. Nothing personal. Feel free to call me annoying.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Those we the good old days. Drill a few threes and convert a couple of fast breaks and the enemy is down 12 and calling a quick TO before his kids know WTF hit them. My eyes are tearing up…

  • V for Vaginosis

    if this is true, can you imagine what the program will be like if we don’t move up in football??? they won’t remember when Nova was a relevent BE school after the conferences split…wasn’t Holy Cross good in the 70′s and then turned down the BE in bball?

  • Nervous Nelly

    Think he may have been smoking some of those funny cigarettes!!

  • Naples34110

    Unless Jay’s running boot camp.

  • Naples34110

    HB likes you as a reporter, not an op-ed guy. Anyone on the street as much as you deserves to opine.

  • THE GUEST

    I’v been known to enjoy some drinking later in the day. things can get a bit ugly. shuddup and enjoy some evening

  • Naples34110

    The goal is to get a high percentage shot. If some burn is required, so be it, but don’t burn for burn’s sake. Soccer is the same. Blind kick and run results in low % opportunities. It’s just harder to score, so deliberate play is necessary.

  • BarneyRubble

    What needs do we have for 2013?

    Yarou, Armwood & Sutton will all be gone so you got Kennedy and no one over 6’6 (Goodman & Pinkston) so clearly the emphasis is on adding multiple bigs with that class or we got some match-up problems.
    Jay needs some long players…6’9–7’0 to keep us competitive in certain match-ups. I am sick of us stumbling upon our defective bigs. Yarou was accidently discovered after being here a few mos….Kennedy was kid who didn’t play competive basketball until 10th grade….Sutton was still hanging around as a lanky thin “project” in May of his senior year when Jay used a transfer scholarship to grab him.
    Let’s go out this summer and go hard after a Center or PF (colbert? noel?) and tell the kid he is our #1 recruit for 2013 and then haunt the kid”s every move.

    As far as the talent declaring LATER, I am not so sure that is true because there is a lot less senior year Spring committments for players with no academic issues. Most top players are making the decision by the end of Fall semester senior year. It’s now a year since Gilchrist committed as a junior last April

    Jay clearly favors kids who make their decisions to commit to Villanova before the end of their Fall Semester of Senior year, It’s hard to find a true exception to that rule in someone he captured in the last 6 or 7 years. Reynolds & Sutton were late adds to Nova only because of late scholarships openings and not because we had to wait for their decisions..
    Wayns, Bell, Yacoubou, Archy, Goodman, were all verbal commits to Villanova in the early period from Summer preceding Jr year thru their Junior Fall.semester. And that is the period about to start for the 2013 recruits in the coming months. This is going to be an important summer to get inside 2013 recruit’s heads on the AAU circuit.

  • Joegrane

    vs USF Jay had a 15pt lead, no starting center, a confident offense after the 50pt 1st half, sutton w/ 3 or 4 fouls and Pena & Armwood would not match up well vs the USF front line. The plan would have worked if all of the following did not happen: two very good free throw shooters missed the front of 1n1. Give away under your own basket on an inbounds.

  • Spot ck

    HB,
    What have they been feeding you,I hope like hell your not slipping away!!
    Last year they had kids on the tube watching the Tournament and actually making their final decision
    by the outcome of games they were watching!
    The last 2 years have been called collapses,dreadful,horrendous and more by the national Basketball
    community,led by ESPN,like them or not they are the leader in college Hoops and just about everyone
    else fell in line.
    Vuhoops was not responsible for starting the negative portrait we have seen over the last two years,
    Jay and the team earned that distinction all by themselves.

    We have already damaged our reputation and to think we could continue as a top Big East program
    with collapse #3,#4 etc.,spells nothing but DOOM for our program!!

    I thought you were in agreement that we needed a major restructuring of our Asst.Coaches,leaving
    JW as the CEO and allowing him the time to do what he does best!!

    Please,we can’t overlook the steps that other Big East (losers) have taken to get back into the mix and
    become major competitors, not just for VU but for the rest of the league!!

    I must admit, I didn’t expect Mike Rice and Steve Lavin to have the success they enjoyed in their 1st
    year and Seton Hall will be heard from!!

    All 3 of these programs will be feeding off our recruiting grounds and it would behoove us to make the
    necessary changes and get Jay on the recruiting trail for 2013!!
    LATER!

  • Gary McLain’s Ski Lodge

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd0%2FdX%2Fd3%2FdY%2FdX%2FX3YX_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561404306423987270_y7xt427ZT6VNgKfzrm1FSUTJCH8&podcast_name=Jay+Wright&podcast_artist=Mike+Francesa&station_id=91&tag=&dcid=CBS.NY

    Jay Wright may have made his share of mistakes this season (and he’ll be the first to admit it), but he gives me a lot of confidence heading into Friday. I think he’s right when he says that the players are not quitting, and that even showed at the end of the ND debacle. Win or lose, this team has adopted a no quit attitude that they will need next year. The problems VU basketball currently has will be definitely be addressed in the offseason.

    GMU is not the same as last year. Cam Long is a beast. Play to win, rather than to not lose. I’m hoping “being healthy” will help us push the ball more and I really hope the 3/4 press is used never again, ever. Stokes will put up >20 and Pena will score double figures again.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    . . . I watch soccer, and I hate the burn.

  • http://twitter.com/Brian_Ewart Brian Ewart

    Better to use that shot clock to move the ball around and create a shot than to waste it dribbling.

  • BarneyRubble

    HB, Nothing wrong with annoying people with your opinions.
    I find your comments quite refreshing to the blind worship of some here. But you’ve been relentlessly pointing out the extent of our 2nd consecutive late season dive over the last month but now you don’t think that the impressionable High School kids would be adversely affected by watching this unfold in back to back years. Seems to me that anyone watching this mess on court, reading the dozens of articles (both local & national media) analyzing this mess or seeing the brutal comments on TV this week regarding out dismal tournament chances would feel the tarnished statue of Villanova basketball until this spell is broken.

    I’ve never said a solid win over GMU would erase all our self-inflicted problems but it does exhibit to outsiders including recruits looking at the program a reversal of the fortune from how poorly this team performed recently PLUS gives Villanova a chance to play in the spotlight Sunday vs the #1 team in the country. (An OSU team that I have winning all of my brackets this year…lol) We are being butchered right now by the majority of the media previewing the Tournament so I still believe a solid win on Friday is the best way to counter that criticism. Going into summer recruiting period where Jay will be looking to cure his past achilles heel in drawing effective big men to the program, I think it’s important to end the season on a more positive tone than the present.debacle.

  • BarneyRubble

    THANKS.
    Great radio interview. Jay said all the right things that most of us want to hear but like he said, Nova fans want to see wins to back it up. lol

    Coach Massimino’s Northwood team lost in the NAIA FInal Four in Branson, Missouri. Rollie is now heading off to Cleveland to see Villanova. I am sure he remembers a couple good mob owned pasta places in Cleveland.

  • Pena Power

    “Going into the George Mason game we know what we are,” Wright said. “We’re a three-guard team with two forwards.” Wright tried to change that, partly because Stokes and Fisher were hobbling and because he thought a bigger lineup would be more beneficial defensively and on the boards in the Big East. “I was trying to manipulate the lineup a little bit,” Wright said. “We went big with Armwood and it didn’t work. Sometimes you try things as a coach and it does work and you have to take responsibility for it.”

    This is the most telling quote, and best explanation for what has transpired on offense over the last month and a half. I truly beleive this is what happened. People got hurt, Jay out-thought himself, and a taller and less potent offense resulted. We’ve speculated about this, but it’s good to hear him explain it. Regardless, it looks like the burn offense may be over. I know this may sound crazy, and maybe I’m just looking for any glimmer of hope, but I think this team will return (finally) to its January style of play and will win convincingly Friday and will give OSU fits on Sunday.

  • Stevie V

    Pena Power….”We went big with Armwood and it didn’t work”. …ok it did not work out and JW took responsibility for it.

    I guess the real question is WHY DID HE STAY WITH THE FAILING STRATEGY SO LONG…..are you saying he out thought himself for a month and a half.???

  • DW

    Per JW: “We’re a three-guard team with two forwards.”

    This is good news.

    A four-guard team with one forward would be even better.

    Is there hope that Mouph is still hurt and can’t play?

  • Nervous Nelly

    Call me a “cool Aid ” drinker if you will, and I guess I plead guilty, but I am absolutely convinced that if we play as we did in December and OSU brings anything but their “A+” game they will get their butt whipped; even if they bring their “A+” game it will be close. I am really looking forward to kicking Calamari’s butt assuming they can make it passed West Virginia. I see George Mason an a scrimmage to shake off the rust and get us ready for the real competition.

  • Hardcore fan

    He must read vuhoops. Everyone have been crying for that alignment of players for weeks.

  • BarneyRubble

    The recruiting calendar allows high school basketball players to sign National Letters of Intent twice during their Senior year. We don’t have any seniors to wait for and their are only a few juniors left on the plate so Villanova will be on the AAU circuit making offers to a couple of 2013 recruits this summer.

    Upcoming Spring/Summer dates:
    April 7-20: Contact period
    April 13-May 18: Regular signing period for seniors
    July 6-15: Evaluation period
    July 22-31: Evaluation period
    ================================================

    Kendrick Ray, 6’0 PG 2012 (middletown, NY)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J6jXfotMTY

    Allan’s brother, Kendrick, is more of a mid-major recruit but youngest brother Aaron Ray is a 6’1 guard in 8th grade who played Varisty at Middletown High this year. Aaron should become an interesting player for class of 2015.
    Middletown finished as runner-up in Section 9 AA this year.
    http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110306/SPORTS31/103060340/-1/SPORTS3152
    http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101212/SPORTS31/12120336/-1/rss02

  • Anonymous

    I have been extremely hard on Jay Wright all year long, but for some strange reason I still have confidence going into the NCAA Tournament. We’re Villanova, the little engine that could, who always plays their best when their backs are up against the wall. I’m glad everyone’s picking George Mason and saying we’ll get clobbered by Ohio State. We’re our best when everyone’s against us. However, they’re some glaring holes for the Wildcats. The Wildcats have 440 assists to 383 turnovers. You cannot win games with an assist to turnover ratio like that! Their shot selection also needs to be much better. Wayns is shooting 27% for three point range. He needs to become unselfish and dish the ball to Stokes who’s shooting 43% from beyond the arch and 44% from the field. Run the offense through Stokes instead of isolating him on the wings while Wayns and Fisher drive uncontrollably to the basket. Good teams will collapse their drives, knowing full well they aren’t going to pass the ball (E.G. Saint John’s). I really believe the rest will benefit Villanova. Stokes (hamstring), Fisher (knees), and Yarou (ribs and head) all needed some time to heal. Getting healthy is more important than winning games in the Big East Tournament. Finally, this is the time of the year when senior leadership is needed the most. Three years ago, we went to the Final Four because of senior leaders such as Cunningham, Anderson, and Clark who sacrificed personal success for the good of the team. Fisher and Stokes need to take this team under their wing, and remind them that this team can still be a force. Just remember, we weren’t supposed to beat Michigan and Georgetown in 1985. And three years ago, we weren’t supposed to beat Duke or Pittsburgh. As a Villanova player, alumni, or fan where else would you rather be? The underdog!

  • Cord

    Don’t you think it’s a bit late to expect these guys to act like leaders when they haven’t done so their entire careers?

  • Nervous Nelly

    It ain’t over ’till it’s over…..

  • Hardcore fan

    He kept saying to himself I’ll go back to my original winning gameplan once Armwood hits another three pointer. Waiting Waiting Waiting. Oh shit the season ended I better go back to my original gameplan.

  • DMC

    Is it Friday yet? I’m ready to see the Cats win a good game so we have something to celebrate on here or for this month and a half long root canal procedure to be over. Either way, the current misery will finally be over!

  • Stevie V

    Hardcore….meanwhile Fisher is criticized for not being a leader.

  • NovaFan
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Hey Spot, have no fear, the same old “hater” HB is still here.

    I still believe that Jay has to be held accountable for his less-than-stellar coaching that enabled the slide last season and the current debacle that is this season; however, as we agreed, and as you mention above, he is still a great CEO and recruiter and we want him around for awhile.

    I’m with you and a lot of the other posters that we need to do something to help Jay out with the X’s and O’s, so I’m fine with your opinion that some more experienced assistants need to be brought on board. I’m not so sure we as fans understand how hard it would be to rearrange the coaching staff, or whether big name guys like Brown, Hewitt, Davis et al would even be interested…We can dream…

    However, all I was trying to say above, in response to Barney, is that a potential/very possible loss to Mason will not doom our recruiting efforts this summer. Yes we screwed the pooch last year and are well on our way to ending this season in a miserable way, but I still believe the program is in good standing for the reasons I mentioned above. No need to revisit them here.

    I must admit that first round loss won’t help our recruiting and I would be stupid to deny that more wins will improve our chances of landing some top guys, but Jay has proven he can steer high-level talent this way even when the team is cruising into the NIT. Granted he had Fred and others helping him along the way, but Jay started this machine from scratch.

    Will he be able to sustain it if we suck it up again next year? I’m not so sure we would even be screwed then if sucking it up entailed making the tournament again. But if we miss the tournament and look ugly as hell doing it, we likely are going to have more to worry about than recruiting problems.

    That’s how I see it. I think we are still on the same page. Appreciate you keeping me honest.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5DRWOOB436JQT2WKM46C5UBQ2U honey badger

    Hi Barney, I hope I addressed your valid comments below with my reply to Spot above.

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